Thank you for alerting me to your post.
I have read and reread your piece with great heaviness in my heart, it is on my blog because after the first 1,000 words I thought posting it as a comment would be rude.
I start this letter with the first and foremost desire to clarify,
That I am not a feminist blogger. At this point I am barely a blogger and it shall deplete even more in the future.
It is important to note that because this very colonial theory you have mentioned is one of the huge reasons I am not. One of the most important steps of any form of colonialism is that one most create an Other and strip it of it's humanity to justify one's exisistance.
I do not fele in community in any way with any of these women, and this is a decision reached not out of spite or malice but out of a constant reminder that none of them had nay desire to be in community with me.
In answer to your question there is no What If?
Feminist blogging not only is a digital colonialism , but has for myself and far to many women of color become a site of happy erasure, and staunch upholding rather than moving of the status quo.
I write this letter even with a sense of dread becuase the act of attaching my voice to critiques to any of these big bloggers even to rectify the reinvention of history is immediately tagged with jealousy distrust and bile that I have no desire to welcome into my spce or my life but can not be ignored.
At best some of these exchanges have benn privilege blindness at worst it has been deceitful dishonest purposely malicious racism that has gone unanswered for the sake of maintaining this network.
When teh FFF debacle happened I was contacted , but the minute I did not assure the person who contacted me that this couldn't happen in a shadow network where in that person had loads of support and I had none, where in I demanded they be accountable not becuase i Was some raging hose beast but having already begun to see my work cropiing up in places and in stages that I has a person NEEDING to work full time could not control.
They were gone. In the mean time , women who claimed they were aginst racism against injustice against inhumanity were silent SOLELY to support this network.
against a MENACE
that menace was me.
This was not community.
The Seal Press debacle which was not just about a hierarchy but spun out of control because later racist, solipsitic imagery was used and the worlds least sensitive apologies were issued, is even as we speak being dismissed as a kerfufle or a "goings on" that is two sided because of osmeone careers.
and not because someone I love and know dearly cried in my arms.
Or that being called a DATE RAPIST by a FEMINIST magazine, or being called a whiny race baiter. BY ONE OF THE LARGEST LIBERAL BLOGS ON THE WEB. Because what no one notes in these milleus is that the same unearned privileges that allow these oppressive acts ( race,age,class,ability) automatically casts those who protest not only as outsiders but dehumanized defeminized attackers on a metaphoric presumed white sisterhood not worthy of basic human decency. That casting means we can get rape threats death threats or more succinctly.
Hvae you ever cried till you threw up cause people put pictures of your people being killed by a white lady was "funny and kitchy"?
Have you ever had that kind of psychic violence justified by we went to this bar/conference/party /training session together?
And yes it is still happening . Yes Means Yes was recently published and before it was published a large and PROMINENT critiquing of that was issued. One of the most prominent and important being made very eloquently by a person whose voice as a young queer transperson is often marginalized.
The subsequent debates involved THE ENTIRE SUBMISSION HAVING TO BE REWRITTEN. WHile I myself personally asked not to ever never be connected with the book again by name
NO MENTION AT ALL WAS MADE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT PRECIPITATED THAT REWRITE
by anyone who reviewed it ( including feminist Review) anyone who supported it , and anyone who did mention reduced it to a "small drama" . Because really calling transpeople crazy, non citing work, and dismissing WOC as bitter and jealous is a small thing.
it is because these people have no desire to be accountable to me.
And the argument that you don't get paid enough for it to be monetary , in mine ears means that we are getting dumped on disrespected, and ERASED continually for a pittance.
But outside of the emotional violence , the unaccountability, the self indulgent navel gazing the assinine behavior that is not even directed at full misogynists( they will at very least name teh misogynists when responding. Many neigh most of these blogs while calling me essentiallya hating demon for two years DO NOT LINK ME)
is also the knowledge that with the coming of the " zeitgeist" everything mentioned by WOC bloggers
The need for increased diversity
The need to even superficially create community
A broadening or dialogue
that were unreasonable and out of the question when we asked for it because we are human and should be considered not just part of but integral TO this movement
became very attractive and do able when that small revenue went down and traffic started fleeing to POC blogs.
and that movement we're supposed to be a part of of where we are powerful and can make change stops RIGHT where it might make someone feel bad.
This exchange between Lauren of Faux Real Tho and Courtney of Feministing broke my heart.
When Lauren expresses a deep issue within THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT about how it has evolved and continued to evolve she is marked as jellus and mean and told by OTHER WOMEN that why is she perpetuating this idea that women should apologize for living well?
Lauren a FOUNDER AND DESIGNER OF THE EMBLEM OF ONE OF THE OLDEST FEMINIST BLOGS ON THE NET.
And for all her " excitement at being challenged" and throws around enough meta data to seem like she's unpacking knapsacks Courtney's main response and final paragraphs are straight up insulting and yes disgusting to me ( and yes i divulge that I am poor as a church mice but ivy league educated, private school educated and Facebook obsessed but hey grassroots organizing involves cheap materials where you can get em)
You see the issue is men. Not Lauren's hurt not referencing the larger comment she made, not what it says to other women( but more about why her privilege is to be shared not dismantled) because she wants all teh things "men have had for centuries"
Now I leave the obtuseness and ridiculousness of that statement ( which men, what class , what race) to be FLABBERFUCKING GASTED at the fact that in a response to Lauren about a large issue her focus is not addressing Laurens points but her self , an invitation to that kind of thinking to other women of privilege ( Yes i have it I am not at all excited in reveling in it) and to say
" Men have done it for so long why not me?"
Because truly that is what we are looking for? A repeat of that colonial man in room of their own mentality?
That Gollum like addiction that is repeated OVER AND OVER AGAIN ad infinitum that ' THIS WHAT YOU DID IS WRONG AND HURTFUL AND SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED AND CORRECTED" is the same as YOU ARE TERRIBLE NO GOOD PERSON WHO DESERVES NOTHING
so you spend half of you r working time trying to say " NO THATS NOT WHAT I SAID"
and the thread about brainstorming tells more about training people to be in " positions of power" with no clear idea of what they do with it.
as if that in any way addresses a damn thing that has been brought up but you knwo what Lauren is at least granted the courtesy of being in the conversation.
or to put in a blunt situation. You know WAM that conference that ended with me , my best friend, my sisters in TEARS.
The one that has a theme of inside outside but personally addressed none of teh issues or critiques in any public accountable way.
The one that a boycott is STILL in progress from teh behavior of " Women " putting " women back in teh picture " ON IT's PREMISES
that is so concerned with the voices of women.
I cleared my schedule my 14 hour a damn day schedule , my best friend did another amazing WOC blogger did to talk to meet to try and be part of this movement.
It was so valued I was stood up,
because they can,
because they suffer no repercussions even of conscience.
That's how much i matter .
Monday, February 16, 2009
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First, I feel it is necessary to apologize for the hurt you felt at FR reviewing YMY. No excuses. No justifications. Just "I am very sorry to have hurt you."
Second, I would love for this to be added to the Comments on our post. May I do that?
To clarify, I am asking to add this to the Comments to both YMY on FR and Fem Blogs as Digital Colonialism on PWI.
and that movement we're supposed to be a part of of where we are powerful and can make change stops RIGHT where it might make someone feel bad.
Yeah. I know. Just happened to me too. And I was JUST JOKING AROUND. (My Friday the 13th post) Imagine if I had delivered a serious critique like you, Lauren and Robot Dinosaur did?
I shudder to think.
This is a lot to take in.
I feel like I'm at a funeral and there's sadness, drama, disbelief, and memories.
::arm sneaks through yours::
I can hold up an Amazon, remember?
Lisa You just made me laugh teh happiest of tears!
Daisy- part of the problem si that I or you and a lt of peopel form ALL Sorts of backgrounds don't expecta ny beter form the " movement" at large . What doe sits a that many women dont at all expect that this movement will be remotely considerate of them let alone have meaning in thir lives
FR_ feel free to link as you liek but please not teh hurt I feel/felt is moot at this point . The problem is teh facts it is teh fact taht entire chunks of lived history are erased ( when i have rECORDS of it)
aare being use dto sell teh idea that this is s omething that is doings omething new anddifferent
is based off ideas forwarded by teh very peopel they claim to be for BEFORE This happened and
when someon brings up it's not worth it or is hurt by it
JEALOUS
it's already happeneing now.
My hurt is secondary to how this will inhibit peopel who try and talk about it after me
My God.
Thank you.
Look. Too many of these women call themselves feminists, claim to want to include women of color, but really have no idea what that means in actual practice because they have little to no interest or experience in dealing with women of color as peers and not subordinates.
It fascinates me; all of these feminist bloggers can quote Audre Lorde on the master's tools, but none of them seem to be able to read her enough not to re-enact her every criticism of white women's racism.
I was really impressed with the FR piece when I first read it, but now that I'm able to look at it more deeply I have some major issues with it. I think much of the framing of intent is overreaching, but I'll have to detail that out when I get more time.
That said,
"At best some of these exchanges have benn privilege blindness at worst it has been deceitful dishonest purposely malicious racism that has gone unanswered for the sake of maintaining this network."
Yep. Completely agree. And this,
"as if that in any way addresses a damn thing that has been brought up but you knwo what Lauren is at least granted the courtesy of being in the conversation."
Yes again. What's really frustrating for me is knowing that many of the people we're (too graciously, I think) trying to urge to look at things in a more equitable way will give a nod to or a shout-out to change, or diversity, or intersectionality, whatever, and then politely go back to their previous ways without having integrated any of this important, meaningful conversation into their framework. What's worse is knowing that I have some legitimacy in this crowd, because... why? I'm famous among dozens for a friggin' website? And why am I even that? Let's not kid ourselves, blogging is not a meritocracy.
But this,
"and the thread about brainstorming tells more about training people to be in " positions of power" with no clear idea of what they do with it."
the "no idea what to do with it" is the problem. I don't know what to do with it, certainly, and it appears no one else does either. It's a big fucking problem, especially since the people who are positioned to do the most with it aren't, and all this conflict and hurt and division are basically, what? ashes?
Wow... thank you for this post. I hope everyone at that What If discussion reads this and absorbs it. I didn't know anything about the YMY stuff, either--thank you for the info.
" New leaders need subjects delux never forget it!
AIAW -welcome!
Hi lauren! welcome
I think the value of the network twitched my eye so hard it did a somersault when Amanda said you know jealousy blah blah b
TO YOU
I can comprehend it to me but to you ?
and Courtney's but b but I wasn't always THIS privileged , um like you siad you cared. It was aout that moment that lack of connection and you're not even granted the courtesy of a straight up you know my bad.
Do you stop getting phone calls about Barbie or eating soba if you aren't a perfect becon.
and thats when you get the benefit of direct engagement
(with me I just got stared at and had three of em walk into wlls when they say the wife was a white woman)
and while i think all your blogs are wonderful and fab why is it you need to be a blogger of importance for someone calling herself an activist or a whole group of em to pay even nominal respect to your ideas? ( and teh line of I am not interested in being challenged I'd rather talk about how I am so beneficient for even thinking about this and lets dialogue only to only answer three times about trianing)
and frankly you have a room of your own and time you
DO NOT
DO NOT
ask those hwo don't t o do more WORK
it's not ashes becuase godo work is eing done a outside of these fruitless ocnvos
BUT
the issue happens because when taht work is done and cred which is based on being part of this " zeitgiest that gets tehse room of their owns
suddenly MAGICALLY these critiques are orthy
also knon as how feminists discovered black women in 1008 /9 and iwll discover poor women on 1009/10
and I'm gracious your to kind!
Hi Ico- uh YMY is on seal and i think that may have been the point
no one knows
but hey you know
they had a transvoice so the trans person who helped start a reall big wave of discussion on teh topic that HAD THEM REVAMP THE WHOLE CALL AND FOCUS OF TEH BOOK
no need to mention zir
I am obsiously tired as i am evil
and need bed
Hey, Blackamazon - thank you for this. I've been really disconnected of late and appreciated reading this; it helped me learn more about some situations that i really should've known more about before (again, the disconnection.)
Is there a boycott of WAM going on?
Hi JACK welcome!
PErsay there is no boycottof Wam just that a whole laundry list of issues were put forth discussed and then left out there. I was stood up by someone who swore they were listening
not to mention some entirely shitty UNACCEPTABLE behavior THAT STILL ISN't HANDLED
but suddenly those issues unadressed and the critiques kind of ignored there is a theme of Inside outside and an entire revamp
In addition Seal press ( who full disclosure published FFF HEs a stud jungle out there , and ymy)IS being boycotted from that time period as far as I know
and YMY had as I mentioned a huge revamp somewhat connected to these issues by a transperson of amazing depth
who was later disappeared ( with me and sylvia and petit nadia BP got a mention)
Sylvia summarizes here
http://problemchylde.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/this-is-such-bullshit/
even though
ICO's blog has a good listing of why in addition my own posts notes from wam and their blog have the history.
okay really now i sleep!
"You see the issue is men."
WOC have had them pegged all along. Middle class, western, cis, het, able, white women want equality for themselves with middle class, western, cis, het, able, white men. The rest of us, our problems can wait while they climb the ladder of capitalist success. That is the only thing feminism is about, and if we're good and let them step on us on the way up, they might throw us a bone now and then. No wonder so many of us do not want to be associated with feminists or feminism.
Thank you for this. Best and most incisive post I've read on this whole shitstorm, hands down. I've been lurking over here for a while, and as usual, you cut through all the navel-gazing and bullshit--and explain what's going on better than anyone else has.
Lauren:
"I don't know what to do with it, certainly, and it appears no one else does either. It's a big fucking problem, especially since the people who are positioned to do the most with it aren't, and all this conflict and hurt and division are basically, what? ashes?"
Yes, it's a problem, but the more I see of the dynamic, the less I'm convinced that the "feminist blogosphere"--such as it is--is actually worth saving. And maybe breaking with the people who perpetuate the "dominant white feminism" in order to stand as an ally with the people they're ignoring--as you've been starting to do--is a more worthwhile pursuit.
And, I dunno... Maybe "ashes" are not such a terrible thing. I mean, once you've "blown something up"--so to speak--you can work to build something new, better.
* HUG TACKLES DONNA TO BITS*
i Love you and
that list is distressing because how MUCH OF THE WORLD POPULATION meets that goal
while I am anti capitalist I see why women who want safe lives participate but if the entire fucking world need s to be sacrificed to do so and
WE CAN"T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT
that's what kills me we can't talk bout it.
Kristin:
Welcome.And i don't think I'm especially gifted in so much as for me these issues aren't theoretical . IT isn't there was a racist dynamic people got hurt
it was uh person I love trying not cry for NO GOOD REASON
it's not that there is an issue of transperson disappearance it's that we have DOCUMENTED the disappearance of a transperson in a discussion to safeguard something
and then replaced with a more "friendly" name
replace transperson with your "non standtard" voice of the week
and so it goes.
and it connects to the fact that a person who STARTED STARTED stonewall a t the end of her life couldn't get help for LGBTQ babies or herself
BECAUSE she was written out
but the head of HRC who calls COPS on transpeople makes a sixfigure?
like we don't have models of exactly how this sort of friendly " forgetting" or non personalizing ends up
and building to me is alwyas a more worthwhile pursuit
Thank you for this.
I think that too often the goal of "upholding community" is elevated above building nourishing, sustaining, healthy, warm, loving communities that are actually worth upholding. And though it should be self-evident, in order to be those things (even in times of disagreement) those communities *must* be anti-racist, anti-classist, anti-heterosexist & -homophobic, anti-ableist, anti-transphobic & -transmisogynist.
Though I do believe we live in a both/and world, I don't see how we can create meaningful, safe, healthy spaces without actively rejecting those isms in word and in deed. The latter being of utmost importance, and the former being all too common.
Upholding the idea or skeleton of meaningful community(ies) can not happen at the expense of people's hearts and souls and minds and well-being. To quote Audre (and no, not that line), "community must not mean a shedding of our differences, nor that pathetic pretense that these differences do not exist."
I've been thinking about why these things keep happening. And about Jess' post about her 1st walk, and about perfectionism. Thinking about how we, as white women, can be more honest, responsible, and vulnerable - simultaneously. But I think I'm gonna post the rest of my thoughts over at my blog, because I don't want to take up your space with more white woman navel-gazing.
Thanks for this though, all of it. For sharing your thoughts and your in[cite]ful critiques.
PS Been lurking for a while, don't know that I've commented much before. So, Hi, too.
PPS Clarification, what I meant was that upholding those ideals in word *alone* (and not in deed) is far too common.
"And i don't think I'm especially gifted in so much as for me these issues aren't theoretical"
Once again BA, you just nail it. Here I'm struggling to figure out how to articulate why it bugs me that these discussions are always theoretical--and how they never go anywhere.
And then in a sentence--that's it. THAT's why.
Still hoping everyone comes over here to read your post. And the YMY stuff--ugh, it never ends.
Hey, thanks for the info! Also - tomorrow at 7pm EST I'm moderating a live Q&A with some of the contributors to YMY about the book. I didn't learn about some of the fucked-up things that went down around this book until yesterday, which was my bad. But now I want to make sure I'm acknowledging those issues and being accountable to folks who raised them (and have thus far been made invisible). So since the format is that folks post or send me questions they want me to ask during the conversation, I'm actively seeking people's questions for the contributors around those issues. If you have any questions you want me to pose let me know and I'll definitely try to include them.
Jack I started a response but it's over grown and i'm still atw ork bt my short answer is at this point with certain developments and teh post adn comments at feministe
No i don't
but i have to go to work so il respond hopefully before i get to bed tonight
Hey, thanks for responding at all, BA. I totally understand if you don't want to submit any questions; were I in your position I probably wouldn't want to. But just doing my best to approach personal accountability (I can only be accountable for what I do or don't do, not anyone else). If you have any advice on how I can better be accountable here I'd appreciate it.
Dear Jack.
I appreciate that and I am so sorry you are in any situation where you are made unaware. As a respect you should be given the full extent of whatever your involved. But in addition to not wanting I really haven't got the time also it is not lost on me that one person of color is trying ( valiantly) to do work that involves asking another person of color to basically historically record a situation that is only un known becuase of selective privileging and topics that were covered and should have been fully disclosed
AKA
whatever teh result of it why are we for the sake of accountability asking folsk to be more accountable for work that was already done and ignored.
I do thank you for this
but at this point making THAT o conversation better doesnt serve me and
I am so sorry that in any way you are made uncomfortable by it.
Blackamazon: thanks for the understanding, but you definitely don't need to say sorry for any discomfort I might be feeling in this situation - I'm not one of the people who's been wronged here.
I hear you when you say that entering that conversation again doesn't serve you and I appreciate you taking the time to explain your thoughts to me. Thank you.
I just want to say I have compassion for your pain. Also, thanks for sharing the details of it all.
Love for the people,
-T
An Apology from Brittany and Mandy
How do these morons get book deals?
Yes Means Yes?!
I saw there list of issues in the call for submissions...
I am not sure how we can talk about rape culture with NO mention of colonialism and militarization.
It seems that all these people have to offer is how sexually fucking free they are...
whatever.
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