Sharkfu basically says everything I want to say about the presumption of teh motives of OWC to post on big blog s and how i felt it was treated.
but in the spirit of total honesty
I'm battling
that while Lauren can't get a real answer to any of her questions
there is an immediate answer to the charges of tokenism on how it reflects on the BLOGS itself
but the women they had to stand for themselves
I have no idea what it means or am i inferring it one way or the other merely noting.
I am also noting that many of the people who are hopping flipping mad a bout tokenism charges
are a ok with the non naming of and erasure of women who AREN'T attached to bigger blogs ( and have been okay with it for what is now years) and No I don't mean me.
I am also amused that people will say well hey this big blog was changed by WOC voices but forget to note the shit ton of crap those voices got for making those concerns
but somehow think the "progress" that is made from them
or that people are OFFENDED by the way their WOC contributors were treated in this POST but have little to NO open demonstration of improving the way WOC are treated in their own common threads.
and if anyone tells me they can't they're full of shit.
I believe that NONE of these women are dupes or tokens but I also am not at ALL surprised that the supposition was made
I am angry it was but not shocked
And really I don't know what that says
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“there is an immediate answer to the charges of tokenism on how it reflects on the BLOGS itself
but the women they had to stand for themselves”
Interesting point. What post was this on? On the posts I’ve seen, it seems that a bunch of white women did stand up for the guest bloggers of color and other marginalized bloggers (I mean, I know I personally am no hip young thing, and certainly not a big-time or mainstream blogger, but others who are hipper and younger and more big-time did as well).
Cara from Feministe said at the PWI blog: “the bloggers at Feministe are quite upset about how the WOC bloggers among us are portrayed in this post, and how our WOC guest-bloggers are also being treated. As others on this thread have pointed out already, including some of our very own guest bloggers, the assumptions in this post are infantalizing to them and their decisions, and denigrating of their work.”
I agree there hasn’t been enough discussion of erasure of women not attached or guesting at big blogs. Maybe there’s too much sensitivity about appearing to “speak for” or put words in someone’s mouth. But it’s a point well taken.
BA- all that tokenism talk was hurtful. and dismissive. and ridiculous. and *$#*$(#*$#. and btw i love shark-fu. but at the same time, other parts of the article dont come from a completely insane place. cause there are many instances where WOC voices are being erased. as you said. also i liked this:
"or that people are OFFENDED by the way their WOC contributors were treated in this POST but have little to NO open demonstration of improving the way WOC are treated in their own common thread"
thats a really good point. honestly, thats what ive been finding at the 'big blogs'- and im not saying everyone-- but yeah there's shit going on everyday that isnt being discouraged at all.
i'm fairly new to the fem-blogosphere. but it hasnt taken me too long to realize things going on with regards to WOC that disgust me. not everywhere, but a lot of places.
read about you in make/shift and i knew i had to track ya down. cause youre the shit.
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