Wednesday, June 04, 2008

Broken Record

First and foremost I would like to thank form the bottom of my heart all of you who have donated. I am writing my thankyous before the end of the week. Uh I am a l iar I misse dmy airfare and still need help! WHOOPS!Also for others and their support ( belledame cake will happen on my honor)


When I said I was feeling uncomfortable about coming back , I wasn't lying. I came back one because frankly grad school the great corporation it is needs proof that I am an " important Thinker" . Also it's my own personal thing but I can not deal with myself erasing any public record ( somewhere the wife is gnashing her teeth at me) , but I can't. I don't any more see this blog as just my spaces , but myself as a ward of this space and people have spoke and discussed in ways that barring my very real desire to ward certain folks off my archives, is something I feel I can not justify hiding from public record.

I am actively trying to break myself of that habit.

But for me it is very important because one thing I have learned about my time online is that given space history can and will be re written so that people can learn " lessons"

I am not okay with that. I am less okay with that when it involves me, and mine and the pain we are caused constantly consistently in the most flippant offhand un thinking ways possible , because people can not , and will not be bothered or troubled to go outside their own navels.

I am not okay with people lacking basic respect of the actual chronology of events.

While I tend not really to be concerned one way or the other with the opinions of this one way or another ( Once I got my " apology" and my friends had to watch me type my I quit crying and then when I came back that my peoples being arrowed was snark and the remedy was some uninvolved man running an optional seminar my pretty brown head exploded). I really don't like taht the article portrays that I cussed cause of Amanda's Book.

Not because it's untrue which it is, but because it sets that lovely frigging precedent of " oh this is jsut another slap/angry blackwoman/ just mad teh book wasn't what she wanted to be"

As I have said before I am not at all proud or entirely happy with how that came about but , that comment was connected to a VERY SPECIFIC conference where one of my loves was " jokingly" threatened with execution ( no apology there) right after another one of my loves talked about being ACTUALLY threatened with execution , and then love number three basically heard " We don't believe you, you need more White Ladies"

I did not denounce Seal Press cause of this book, they did not come here and try and amend a damn thing. They came here and tried to control and snark a dialogue and basically used juvenile tactics to do so. The apologies came AFTER the girlcott was proposed , the apologies which hey a link to them so folks could see for themselves would be nice but shh let's not get mired down in details like what was said., that ACTUALLY upset people because that would spoil a tone of nice white ladies here's how ya learn.

And this just I don't even know:

It' s the last sentence that gets me . BEcause really I am waiting in teh wings for them to screw up cause then I GET...


What might have seemed like it was going to be the blogger's version of hitting the big leagues— publishing a real, tangible book, maybe ending up as a talking head on Bill Maher, maybe even making a little money off your words and opinions—turned into something else for Amanda Marcotte and her publisher. It seems like Marcotte will land on her feet. As for Seal Press, I'd be interested to see what's on their list the next few years. There's a girlcott just waiting for the next mistake.


Oh right I get nothing. I get called a crackho ( and if you want I'll link you off site I am not linking here AM NOT).

I get to watch the ever entertaining spectacle of the disrespect of black woman and their feelings couched in apologies .

I get the HOW DARE YOU YOUNG BLACK GIRL YOU BIG MEANIE SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE MAKING MULTIPLES OF YOUR SALARY DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT SISTERHOOD!!!!

I get love and support , and I get the often unsaid but continued reminder that for people who would disrespect my very existence that is both shocking and HOW DARE THAT HAPPEN!

But yes I am waiting in the wings for some more of that.

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So I'll be an asshole, because this to me is ugly. Not just a lil bit ugly but heart retchingly ugly.

Especially this last piece:
And I'm sad because I know there are women who are hurting. Not because their candidate lost. Clinton may not have even been their candidate. They're hurting because misogyny hurts all women, and because they have fewer allies than they once thought.

And unlike the people (including many of these women) who are feeling the same way with regard to racism in this campaign, who are licking wounds of racist attacks even as preparations begin for the breathtakingly awesome celebration of the first ever presumptive nominee of color, ZOMG, these women do not have an equivalent wonder to celebrate. They don't have a "despite it all." They don't have a step forward to point to, to say the pain was worth it.

They just have the pain.

And I'm sad because I see so little evidence of people who are willing to understand that.

See we don't understand we got a consolation prize!

I guess for me part of the straight up disgust ,is that for real they said this in 2008. Forty years after King, and Kennedy. Forty years after the brutal violent awful deaths of TWO men ( one black one white ) who were by many black people beloved.Who seeming to have triumphed, to have unified to have created great change.

Were killed by those who felt that change was too much.

That every elder I know , thanked god for this day and then proceeded to add " I pray for him/say rosaries/ask Allah to cover his steps".

This ignorance of what it means to black people to be in this position , as if we haven't been here in some way before and mourned it horribly. That we should be giddy cause this is a first! and respectful for Hillary's time to " mourn"

As if part of her being hustled of stage isn't because of how she behaved and let others behave while she was on stage. As if no one should be stung by the fact the thought even crossed her head to question the importance of MLK.

That she was willing to run on the fact that hard working americans , in her mind were white . and racist and that was a good reason to stay on, in addition to you know Obama could get shot!

You want to talk about questioning allies?

Lets talk about reading that as a young woman and hearing that older women who have means will gleefully and happily fuck you over because their pride is hurt. That the very real spectre of a court that leans so hard right as to truly make a challenge to just about ever gain made since the sixties , is worth it to spite you.

Lets talk about women " your generation" who through concession,omission,distraction, or even more scary agreement, stayed silent, obfuscated, hemed and hawed about the sheer disrespect heeped on your head cause you had the nerve to have a vagina and not think EVERYTHING MEAN SAID TO HILLARY IS SEXISM AND MUST BE WATCHED


or the sudden interest in both parties in the Green party also running a woman who the sexism,racism,classism , and cultural disrespect during her candidacy,career, hey life,just couldn't seem to peak their interest enough.
( by the bye the comenter who suddenly has an interest in Green cause you know this is such a slap , Cynthia Mckinney is never EVER to be treated as you "standby" , you disgust me)



I will also leave out the fact at this juncture that Hillary not even the first woman nor Barack the first African-American. Let's not let facts get in the way!

Cause let's be honest this was always tacked at the end of BOTH candidacies

" with a chance to win"

And that right there is what their mourning and why I have NO sympathy. It's not the sexism , the misogyny , the absolute exposure of our media networks as sexist and racist( because much to their blind spottedness Hillary sexism attacks were almost always followed by racist attacks on Barack and Michelle [yeah I know shocking she got both and she's not running] and there is something to be said about intersectionality but we gone keep it simple )

their upset about the loss of power.

Because here's the thing Melissa McEwan misses as do most of these kind of rending of garments( and more is coming) response will miss.

People actually concerned with the sexism and racism and misogyny displayed in this campaign, not the " barriers being broken"

aren't doing some kind of mathematical calculus of plusses or negatives.

The fact Obama IS the nominee does not even come close to mitigating the sexism,racism, and misogyny that many have BEEN saying has plagued the left , which has now become important as it is happening to a (white) woman.

That terror was neither begun nor exemplified by the Clinton campaign. Because shockingly it wasn't now and will never be hinged on the treatment of one white woman but the continued and disturbing treatment of all women in it's practices and dealings. But lets not forget that this white woman is the symbol of all women , yet somehow the actually experienced Rep Mckinney is a second choice.

Their is no transcendence for Obama supporters who shockingly may have been some of them a courtesy not even mentioned voting with their lives not their entitlements , in realizing that the fate of the nominee for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES is prayed over daily , nightly and hourly because it is considered to be hand in hand with the fate of Sean Bell, wondering will this man, this candidate suffer like far too many have for being black and male and the wrong time.

BUT WE GOT A CANDIDACY RIGHT CAUSE WHAT WE WANTED WAS POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may be enough for some people to sleep at night , but it has not now or ever been enough for FAR too many of us. And the thing is Hillary never saw that as she went from 75% of THE AA vote to single digit support.

Her " feminist" supporters never saw that as everything up to an including "boy wait your turn" and their just seduced by his "good looks" and " charisma" ( got love the black man as walking sex and the black woman as walking sex obsessed that never fails to sneak in)even though both candidates have nearly identical platforms ( except where he DOES BETTER ) .

Or taht in large amounts brown folk won't even engage with this anymore but , come on people who MATTER are hurting. Their being attacked by other people who MATTER , those people who don't matter with real grievances who won't even talk to us are SECONDARY, these people who MATTER won't let us GRIEVE . THEY CAN'T SEE!!


Maybe their right I am an asshole , because if this is what their grief is for. You best believe form me they get no rest.

22 comments:

angelsscream said...

Yes and thank you for this BA.

danadocus said...

yay, my favorite leo is back..

word to all of this about the nonsense white women are spitting about hilary.

some liberal white woman had to tell me today how she was "excited" to hear about obama but really not impressed at all with him, and mumbling something about her wanting hilary. it boggles my mind how anyone has any respect left for hilary at this point, until i don't know what to say. i have and haven't been paying attention to all the things she has been saying, i think i need to study up on them exactly so i can at least make these white supremicist women look bad.. so thanks for writing this !

Darkrose said...

Why did I follow the link? Seriously: I quit reading Shakesville even before I quit reading Pandagon, because I was tired of the way that sexism in the campaign was always decried while racism was scarcely mentioned.

Feministe was worse, though. I had to close the tab there: I already have a migraine and there was one commenter who was about to make my head explode completely.

Katie said...

Geez Louis, I can see why you titled this, "Broken Record."

Thanks for continuing to say the same things...the world is a better place because you're willing to do it...but this having to is RIDICULOUS.

Dumbasses.

delux said...

You are a big meanie!

La Lubu said...

That every elder I know , thanked god for this day and then proceeded to add " I pray for him/say rosaries/ask Allah to cover his steps".

Yes. That describes my mother to a t---she's burned a lotta candles for Obama!

So, it's both boggled my mind and further jaundiced my eye to see how the election has played out in the media and on the blogosphere. According to both, people like me, my parents, other family members, union members, etc. don't really exist or are exceptions to the rule. Roomfuls of exceptions to the rule, y'know? A whole stateful of exceptions to the rule. A whole stateful of exceptions to the rule who applied the old Clinton line "it's the economy, stupid" to their vote---and that's why we voted for Obama.

I really don't understand where that 'now we know how few allies we feminists have' attitude is coming from. Seriously---I'm not in attack-mode here, I'm just sitting here slack-jawed. Now you know how few allies you have? What, yous been asleep most'a ya life, or what? Sheee-it. I've known how few allies I've had since I was younger than my daughter (she's eight).

Love to see you back.

Katie said...

So good to read your words again!

"Sudy" said...

Lord have mercy, this post is fucking brilliant.

I mean, can't I think of anything else to write, but...I can't...cuz that's just what this is...

I put up my first and only political post because I don't even want to argue with the feminists who are pissing and moaning about sexism against Hillary.

It's like - um yeah, sexism and racism exist, but, hey, it's Hillary WhiteRodham Clinton, so NOW I am REALLY concerned about sexism...and everything said to her is SO MEAN and IT'S ONLY because she's a woman.

Ugh, PLEASE...I want to vomit into the blogmouths the links you put in this post that boohoo the Clintons and fail to read between the lines...

Sarah J said...

every time I see a comment from someone talking about Hillary Clinton being robbed and how sexism is worse than racism, I'm linking them here.

because this was beautiful, and I'm glad you're here and writing it.

Maegan la Mala said...

What continues to fucking boggle me, ok not really, but still, is how all these women boo-hooing about Clinton's loss is every woman's loss, when what they really mean is white women's loss because for the majority of them white womanhood needs to be protected from all things not-white especially male and non-white, leaving all the women of color in the fucked up middle - no-where, limbo space that is their heads.

Gracias mujer.

i hope you find some plane deal soon so I can kiss you in Detriot

coffeeandink said...

I'm really glad to have the opportunity to read your words again, BA, even if the cause is yet One More Stupid Thing.

Professor Zero said...

Welcome back!!!

joankelly6000 said...

"The fact Obama IS the nominee does not even come close to mitigating the sexism,racism, and misogyny that many have BEEN saying has plagued the left , which has now become important as it is happening to a (white) woman.

That terror was neither begun nor exemplified by the Clinton campaign. Because shockingly it wasn't now and will never be hinged on the treatment of one white woman but the continued and disturbing treatment of all women in it's practices and dealings."


Everything in this post is right and the above especially also articulates fuzzy feelings I've had about this stuff. Fuzzy meaning I haven't understood why I didn't feel things that it seems like popular opinion expects me to feel... God I am so uncomfortable talking about it. I feel weird that it bothered me more to see the Michelle Obama "cartoon" - that it assaulted my gut more - than it did to hear that some people were calling Clinton the c-word.

Hm - maybe, I feel like the equivalent to me I guess, would be if I had seen big "liberal" blogs or anybody in the supposed "progressive" sphere making "cartoons" showing Clinton as a dismembered and raped serial killer victim. Like, that is probably my deepest harm-coming-to-me-as-a-woman-because-of-being-a-woman fear. Being called a cunt? Sucks when people are assholes. But it's not a primal fear I have.

So, that stuff is what all the "mourning" talk made me think of. And, I'm cranky too - what else is new! - because what the fuck? Why are people not out of their fucking minds with joy that a woman actually had a running fucking chance at the white house for christ's sake?? How is that "having nothing?"

If we're going to take a moment before going full steam ahead with glee about someone running for office who could actually win who is not a murderous old white man, why isn't that moment "oh my motherfucking christ, Clinton almost did it! That means that another woman - a different woman - CAN." Just because it's not her, and not this time - why is this a funeral and not party time?

madpolisci said...

Boy, do I agree with you on this!
Once upon a time, I, a 44-year-old black woman, described myself as a feminist.
Then Barack Obama had the nerve to not only run for the Democratic presidential nomination against Hillary Clinton...but also had the nerve to win.
Between Gloria Steinem and all of the other really rabid 50-something feminists who questioned my credentials as a woman and told me more than once that I was brainwashed and the candidate herself, feminism lost me back in February.
And don't even get me started on the "we'll get our revenge on America by voting for McCain" or the "run as an independent Hillary because you can win" campaigns.
I saw the racism in feminism in all of its tragic and visceral glory during the Democratic primaries and because of this reopened my blog and started to write.
I got tired of seeing the voices of women of color being left out of the conversation.
That said, I ask you to use your voice and use it well.
Voices like yours are really going to be needed as the months wear on. Let no one slience you. Black women, in fact all women of color, have been silenced for far too long.
I'm an Old Head and have been in the struggle long enough to know that I'm tired. Unlike most of the folks running civil rights organizations, I'm more than willing to step back and let young women do the talking.
Since you're a Black Amazon, I know you'll be alright. Besides, it looks like there's plenty of folks who have your back.

Donna said...

I get the feeling that the white women who are talking about voting for McCain are doing it out of racism, but not because they need to vote for a white person, it's because a black man had the nerve to jump his place in line. The uppity negro went before the white woman! How galling! They can't let that happen and he will pay for it and so will the rest of us.

What really makes me want to puke is that they are acting like weak emotional stereotypical women, these supposed feminists. ---we need to give Clinton a couple weeks to concede with dignity and a month or two for us to mourn---or some such nonsense. They were even angry with Carter and other supers for endorsing Obama on Tuesday and ending it, because it hurts Clinton's widdle feefees and doesn't give her that time to accept her loss. She lost back in March when there was no way she could catch up in delegates, she has had plenty of time to accept it and just refuses. You could give her and the other delicate snowflakes 10 years and they still wouldn't accept it.

I'm glad you are back and writing again too. We all miss you and your brilliant self. Even if like Delux said, you are the meanest meanie meanerton! lol

Daisy said...

I was with you, until this:

Lets talk about reading that as a young woman and hearing that older women

Lets talk about women " your generation"


I wish you wouldn't make this generational, because I assure you, it is not. I am just as tired of that kinda talk, as you are of the racist bullshit you have been putting up with, BA. Could you AT LEAST consider leaving out ageist language like that, please? IT HURTS. When you say those things, you include ALL OF US. You say "older women" and you do not specify which ones you mean. (Or DO YOU mean all of us?)

Not all older women support Hillary, have money, act like clueless, racist assholes, et. al. (AM I REALLY WRITING ALL OF THIS AGAIN???!!! Holy God.)

(((sobs)))

Blackamazon said...

First and foremost I am sorry you are sad at this Daisy but

I speifically say older women who have means , A specific demographic of woman who really are advertising that tehirmenas is a way to threatn younger women who don't do what tehy want

I don't mean all of tehm and I havealways said as much

and teh " your generation"
I am talkinga bout is my own.
Again I am sorry you feel attacked ut i am specifically and thought i had indicated as much addressing

teh women in taht article and tehones who cross my path everyday and use thsoe means to make my life hell.

joankelly6000 said...

Daisy, it's confusing to me that you got that out of it, and especially that you're kind of scolding Sydette...

I feel like Sydette wrote a really intense post, and then got smacked down for something she didn't even do. I'm an old lady compared to many of the women bloggers I'm in love with, and although I do think ageism is obviously a valid thing to discuss, I feel like it's more than once now that the charge of "ageist" has been leveled at women who have evidenced no such thing. While they are talking about super painful experiences. And then I feel like what they're saying gets pushed aside. I don't get it.

offourpedestals said...

Daisy, it's confusing to me that you got that out of it, and especially that you're kind of scolding Sydette...

Me too. I think maybe--Daisy, did you read the Real Clear Politics piece Sydette linked? She has a link to that article, and then she says, "Lets talk about reading that as a young woman and hearing that older women who have means will gleefully and happily fuck you over because their pride is hurt."

I took "older women who have means" to refer to the women quoted in the RCP article, which makes a real point of hammering home that these angry white women are angry "older" white women. It makes sure to list the age of every woman quoted and even begins its wrap-up with:

Passions can change, one supposes, but the women I hear from do not see the rampant sexism, particularly toward older women, as isolated gaffes but as a systemic dismissal of them

So I hear you on ageism, but honestly, I don't see Sydette using it at all. I DO see Froma Harrop going completely freakin' nuts with it, and that's who I resent.

Renee said...

I simply cannot mourn over Hilarys loss. I know that even while I identify as a womanist, mainstream feminism has a history of betrayal when it comes to POC not just WOC. It claims to be inclusive but its aim is to always advance white women and that is something that should never be forgotten. Despite all the wonderful achievements of feminism I have never felt what I felt the day that Barack accepted the nomination. To see him walk on the stage with Michelle (whom I adore) left me in tears. The very next night I got say to my seven year old son, when you think of the future make sure that you have the biggest dreams. I know that he will still have to confront racism and classism, but Barack proved to POC that we should all have the audacity to hope. Thanks for this post.

delux said...

Donna, I cant help but think that there is so much privilege and wws in even feeling like it is perfectly OK to *demand* your space to "mourn" about this, but I am a big meanie as well.

Five Before Midnight said...

Good to see you blogging again! And you're right, Cynthia McKinney shouldn't be anyone's second choice. First time I ever really wanted to work on a presidental campaign. At least in a long time.