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Cause she linked to this in her comment at Kai's
but oh no oh no
Her love for me is deeper
This one TOOO
I'm telling you white folks really do a times exist SOLELY for my amusement.
Thank you both thereisnospoon and Miss Laura for showing the one thing I learned was prevalent among gaseous windbags , at by Ivory Legal ( peep Taylor Mali) university.
There is a large and gapping chasm between proper research and the research done by most educated people.
Also that when in doubt please make sure to throw out the tired stereotypes of poor downtrodden colored folks like good liberals should.
I AM TOOO POOR AND UNEDUCATED TO BLOG
and too poor to go to KOS.
THEY SAID SO . THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO WHITE THAT'S WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except
Dear moronic idiots,
Every single blogger so far who has commented on the lily whiteness of the conference.....
College educated.
In fact Ebogjohnson is/was a PROFESSIONAL WRITER
FOR THE VILLAGE VOICE
Nez I believe is an NYU graduate
KAI DEVELOPS SOFTWARE
And me
Yes we is uneducated dirty colored folks
YESSUM!
In fact one of the things that crosses my mind and comes up in my discussions with BOC ( Bloggers of Color ) is that while we are often monetarily broke
We are some educated folks. Of a random sampling of my blogroll solely using 10 WOMEN of color
I am the only one whose not been academically published.
I am the only one not on her way or in possession of a Masters.
But yessim we all so uneducated
But even if we weren't
SO THE FUCK WHAT?
Is your movement the righteous way the way for all americans so caste ingrained that we have to be to get heard?
And this would make you different from the Repubs HOW?
But inthespoon is right in a way. We are often monetarily strapped. So we do prioritize something he and Miss Laura believe to be out the realm of our poor colored selves.
And no unless you pay for it for us we would not prioritize a conference that blocks pro-palestinians has ONE recorded WOC on a panel ( as I have been told) and pats it self on the back for having Hilary Clinton .
I could go to SisterSong or AMC.
But Miss Laura at dailyKos.
Killed it .
Killed it dead.
Made me laugh so hard I had to call people
killed it dead.
If she hit anymore of the white liberal horsepuck meter on her way down the bullshit tree I think I would have PULLED something from laughing.
I link it again cause you have to read it anc i can't quote it all here cause that would hurt my feelings but
IS SHE SERIOUS?!
Number one I find it interesting that throughout this whole discussion of this debacle cause it is officially a debacle, this blogosphere which hopes to continually assert it's viability as non traditional media,
has only talked to traditional media, to the point that Jane Hamsher in all her glorious toolbagishness has shut down the convo rather than be caught you know actually organizing around progressive media.
Because Kos is Hispanic and that's ENOUGH!
Number two
Every response ha snot been about the power of this medium , or the effects they hav had
BUT
the sheer petulant childishness of being HELD ACCOUNTABLE for being at least remotely resembling the high minded promises they make
But here here
Sweet Lil' BabyJeebus
That was literally the political version ofGoodman closes on a completely nonjudgmental note:
Next year, Yearly Kos will undergo a name change. The assembly of progressive bloggers will call themselves Netroots Nation. But when will the members of these netroots look more like the nation?
I don't know, Ellen. When will we be able to say the same about the editorial board of the Boston Globe? Or, for that matter, when will we be able to say it about any group into which education, leisure time, and disposable income are requirements for entry?
I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I
Here's what they'd say Miss Laura. EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY NOW.
Because that's the thing rather than addressing the problem of bringing in POC and other progressive causes ( if they did this to POC I'm wiling to bet my cute brown ass the did worse to abilism, poverty etc I want to be wrong but good chance I'm not)
You bitch at them for not being more receptive to you.
Your not concentrating on grassrooting , your concentrating on infiltration.
You want to be them
AND THEY CAN SMELL IT
The fact that it took THEIR attention for you to truly mention diversity at ALL, that rather than address the myriad of AWESOME AWESOME critiques FROM YOUR FELLOW bloggers
you snipe at people who won't think of you tomorrow
Maybe they'd believe
But this isn't all white people existing solely for the amusement for the young amazon.
It's about another insidious and devastating strain of thought in this exchange.
Heather Corinna ( whose book you really should be buying in BULK ) covers it beautifully.
There is a belief that if you HAVEN'T found a way to pimp it , flip it or make money off it.
YOU DESERVE TO STRUGGLE.
The fact that our focus isn't maintaining certain power structures, media dominance, or ATTENTION , or money beyond you know basic fucking survival that we aren't being
"smart"
or
"adult"
about it.
We aren't networking properly
so we can't be serious.
We aren't trying hard enough so why pay us attention?
If we were worth it like the big media or smart like those making money and books and films and media that APPEAL rather than educate maybe just maybe they wouldn't spend half of their we are doing better speeches pleasing with big media to please give them attention ?
20 comments:
this shit is so stupid! you nailed it.
Dear BA: I love you.
PS: check your email.
xoxo kactus
Someday I'll have a TV show called "White People say the Darnedest things!". Only it wouldn't be funny or new. Aren't these the same excuses we've been hauling out for years? I am extremely disappointed in the lack of creativity on the part of my race. I challenge my fellow white people to come up with better, more ludicrous and more idiotic excuses for our racist behavior.
How about blaming it on our diet? The white wine and brie has totally blinded me to anything with even a hint of color!
But that's not right, either, because we have to provide a reason why one black in a room of 100 people represents diversity to white people. Perhaps we've got some fancy new rearview mirror with a warning "people of color may appear to multiply exponentially when viewed through this lens."
And what a total cop out for saying the convention "appeared" to be mostly white men. Facts are facts. You can come up with different reasons, but why try to cast doubts on the fact that it is majority white?
BA, rock on. You are definitely worth quoting. Repeatedly.
As the proprietor of My Left Wing, I would like to apologise for the appearance of those comments on my blog. As I do not believe in censoring comments or posts, unfortunately it must remain -- but I disavow it COMPLETELY and would like you and your readers to know it is NOT representative of MLW or the vast majority of its membership.
I was aghast when I read that discussion, and continue to be appalled at the ignorance and bigotry on display therein.
-- Maryscott O'Connor
Fairy Blogmother of
My Left Wing
Raven you have that show its called CNN and MSNBC
kactus I Love you too
Ms. O'connor:
I really have no idea what to do or say with that comment at all. First of welcome to my blog as it i smy way for most first time readers.
thereisnospoon did not come to the conclusion it was okay to say something like that on your site suddenly by a bolt of lightening
and considering some of the follow ups he is not alone.
The fact of the matter is you phrase it as if The ONLY option was deleting his comment, which it is not.
THere are ways enacted on many blogs POC non POC alike of which it is EXPLICIT that would not be tolerated who do not willy nilly delete comments or engage in censorship
I do not read MLW and as I have said time and time again most mainstream lefty blogs for that purpose. To me that comment WAS indicative of something that plagues the left BLogosphere that Yearly KOs has brought out The WORST of
IF "free speech" and "intellectual discourse" will be used as covers for some of the most entitled and repetitive liberal bigotry then so be it.
I do not have the benefit of being aghast or appalled as that isn't something that was happening around me or apalls me
It is said TO me and ABOUT me
and essentially is continuing under your implicit approval as I write.
So I guess thank you but
The fact is I wish your writers and readers were as aware of your disgust
as you made sure to make mine
Maryscott,
This is the first time I've read MLW, and I don't plan to read it again. Why should I believe that spoon is not representing your entire blog if you don't post your disagreement directly on the thread in question?
BA, you're right about the mainstream media being full of white people saying stupid things. What I want is a show where we can call them on it.
Heh. I surely do, BA, and if I'd known you'd be this happy about it, I would have been gladly serving up the stupid on a platter, for you to filet, long ago!
And filet them you have. And nailed it completely, especially here:
The fact that our focus isn't maintaining certain power structures, media dominance, or ATTENTION , or money beyond you know basic fucking survival that we aren't being
"smart"
or
"adult"
about it.
We aren't networking properly
so we can't be serious.
We aren't trying hard enough so why pay us attention?
They've fallen into the pit of believing their own hype... "leaders of the blogosphere" and poc, who pretty thoroughly reject them as leaders of anything at all, or even as worth bothering with, are wrecking their narrative.
It simply does not compute for many of them.
Maryscott also forgot to mention that for the last year Mr. Spoon has been one of her frontpagers. That was until right before Yearly Kos he announced that women who drink too much lose their rights to consent to sex (ie rape).
Maryscott allowed him to resign the FP (she did not kick him off) and then preceded to explain that he was still a member in good standing on her blog. (Oh and by the way, that post and all of Thereisnorape comments were "accidentally" deleted.)
Well needless to say Nanette is la bomb de la bomb.
I agree with her, a fine filet this is, Blackamazon, cleanly sliced without any tearing due to the extraordinary vigilance in maintaining a sharp blade using the most exquisite stone.
It's so strange, when POC tear into absurd whitefolk logic and get a good laugh from it, the whitefolk seem to think we're just jealous of them. The non-sequiturs are astounding. As in, Jenifer Fernandez Ancona's latest courageous attempt to take the message to OpenLeft, with largely predictable results.
A couple weeks ago I was at a brown bloggers happy hour in NYC and asked if anyone was attending YearlyKos, and all I saw were eyerolls and muffled chuckles. Two bloggers from Sepia Mutiny were there, and quipped that if traffic/comments are a measure of success, then Sepia certainly has more authority than most white liberal blogs. So perhaps we should convene a Yearly Sepia Mutiny which would call itself the netroots and speak on behalf of whiteprogressives. Hey actually that's not a bad idea.
;-)
Peace.
The fact that our focus isn't maintaining certain power structures, media dominance, or ATTENTION , or money beyond you know basic fucking survival that we aren't being
"smart"
or
"adult"
Which I find not to be quite as funny as the idea that the blogosphere is an integral part of what they yabber on about being a "meritocratic society", something that's occurred by magic or something because a medium that through it's most basic structure rewards the early over the good, and the rich and well connected over the intelligent cannot by definition be THAT, of all things. Which as far as I can make out is linked into that whole asinine Assimilationist concept of liberation through conforming to middle class conceptions of culture, propriety and the pursuit of property.
And if anyone has invented an iteration of middle class culture that rewards intelligence over toadying, I've not heard of it.
R Mildred HOW ARE YOU?!?!?!
Oh, Kai, I used to read Sepia Mutiny, but then had a computer crash and lost all my bookmarks and brain and stuff. Will have to check them out again.
As in, Jenifer Fernandez Ancona's latest courageous attempt to take the message to OpenLeft, with largely predictable results.
"What's the ask?" lol, funniest line of the night.
And, well, I hope they take her efforts in the spirit they were offered and not consider it some sort of betrayal of Big Blog Omerta or something... seems to me that Jill (and Jack) Turner were booted off the page at mydd when Jack got a bit too uppity and decided to have a contrary opinion of a politician one of the main bloggers was working for.
Maryscott: I wanted to wait until you posted your take on the thereisnospoon stuff on your blog before commenting on your post here. You have done that, so... I'll just say, if I were you I'd be really grateful for fiver, Diane, Z something, jules something, and others - even NonPartisan, who I think is pretty close to clueless on race issues - for stepping up and publicly and insistently slapping TINS and his racist garbage back - because I'm afraid your on-blog post just doesn't cut it.
"You're not concentrating on grassrooting, you're concentrating on infiltration.
You want to be them
AND THEY CAN SMELL IT"
Well said; it's sad, but blatantly true. One of the more dismaying parts of the blogosphere is the falling over themselves to get legit. The more they chastise the MSM, the more they want a mainstream gig.
Bloggers are never more satisfied with themselves than when they get mentioned or featured in the very media they claim to be correcting and flacking.
Josh Marshall will be an op-ed columnist for the Times in my lifetime, mark my words. And his views will come more and more to resemble those of David Brooks.
I'm pretty much unkillable by normal means, as always, you good?
Sorry but I have to call some bullshit when I see it. I hate to just sign up and do it but, that's what I have to do. I deal with Racism, Black issues on DKos all the time, so why doesn't someone go there look up my screen name, and quote all the offensive remark I have ever got. Look up the same with all my comments.
The netroots is where the new power structure in the Democratic party is going to be. Way too often we wait around until the power structure develops, the rules get set, the best positions taken, and then we try to shape the agenda. I want to be at the front of the movement. The net roots is only 3-4 years old, it's not set in stone, we can still shape the agenda. Do we really want it to develop into another all White structure. Yeah haters can come up with all sorts of negatives on Obama, all excuse about how he is 1/2 white blah, blah. The fact of the matter is a Black guy from Chicago's south side raised more money then EVERY WHITE candidate. Duval Patrick the Black governor of freakin' Massachusetts blew away hs White opponent, and he was a civil rights attorney in the Clinton Admin. When you agree with White Conservatives crap that "Liberals only voted for these guys to feel good" what you agreeing with is that some of our brightest Black people can't come up with ideas good enough to win over White people. It's only the White guilt, Black people can't come up with anything.
Do White folk on Daily Kos or at Yearly Kos say dumb stuff? Yeah they do like White people everywhere. But is it out of hate or ignorance? If I ask a person who is "Muslim do you want some pork?" I may offend him but if I didn't know Muslims didn't eat pork the it as out of ignorance. If I go ask him knowing he doesn't eat it, then that is trying to be offensive. So do you want educate people or not?
What's everyone here who is bitching perscription? I would rather go to Yearly Kos and make an attempt to change the system, then sit around and bitch. If no one goes there it will stay White. What was there a sign that said no Black allowed that I missed?
Let's just say there are those people who would sit at the lunch counter and demand to be served, those people who sat in the front of the bus and said treat me like a person, and those who just complained. I don't go to Daily Kos to suck up to White people, I don't need to get there approval. I go there because dam it, I'm smart, I have something to say and I will be heard.
By the way. I told the people off on Daily Kos for a different reason. I told them they didn't reach out enough. They should have invited some people from Ebony and Essense since they were in Chicago, and Tavis Smiley is from Indiana (next door). I call bullshit out where ever i see it!
People can think I did this to be holier then thou if you want you don't know me so it will be easier to do that then think about what I wrote, but I suggets everyone think about it.
Peace
Posted
First off welcome to my blog , as is my custom.
Frankly your comment has me a little hot.
i think it's holier than thou that your calling me to do a shit load of work on improving DKos and did not even do my the courtesy of writing a new comment than the one you posted at KAi's.
SO rather than read what we wrote really because if you did you'd notice many of my comments were in defense of ALL writers of color and you gave yourself a convenient out with the if I don't think I'm being judgmental
wherein think=agree.
You gave me a screed to basically insult me and equate me to conservatives
While essentially demonstrating you haven't read mine.
I don't go to dkos and the like FOR A REASON
yet somehow they find me
I am doing fine and since my aim is not to integrate on anyones terms but mine I'll be okay.
I applaud your accomplishments but if you notice that's not what i was critiquing at all.
But I have read your words and will give them consideration
dopper, clearly I was unduly courteous to you at my pad, but now that I've come here and found you posting the exact same comment that you posted at my place, especially after BA and Nanette responded extensively to your comment there, I'm starting to get a little pissed off. Where else have you posted this unfocused self-congratulatory passage of assimilation aspiration? If this is how you operate, then please continue chillin at Kos. We're having serious conversations here.
May i also note how amusing it is to be the topic of conversation where someone bluntly asks for all the work to be done ofr them ,shows no knowledge of your work
and is congratulated heartily so for being that obtuse
because when someone says your gripes don't exist it's fine
but pointing out their logical fallcies is wrong
and mean
Mother of zeus indeed
for real kai.
and seriously--do people really think that yearly kos is the only damn thing going on in blogland? dopper--did you know that amazon went to allied media conference this year? Did you know that she raised money to go to this? That other black bloggers and bloggers of color (and even white folks!!) donated money to get her there?
There are some of us who are more interested in using blogging as a tool for liberation rather than a tool to join the big guns. We don't want to sit at the damn lunch counter, we want to be free. Ain't nothing at any lunch counter that tastes good any damn way.
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