Tuesday, May 08, 2007

Imperative of the Life

The imperative of my life is reconciliation

I am corrupting the meme because I think it is time for us to be imperative aboutwhat folks need to know.

My imperative is reconciliation and my name

I am the ultimate outsider insider.

I was born a poor black child.

I was born a spoiled mixed immigrant.

I was born developmentally disabled.

I was born a Mensa member.

I am an opera caliber singer

Forged in the fire of hiphop.

I was born sticking out when I wanted in ( guess my rising sign I'll give you an internet cookie)

But I was born

I was born

I was born.

It has been about reconciling a self that has me writing as an Amazon

But being called Mama when I was 13

It has been about what I will and will not claim.

How I will and will not allow myself and my individuality to be used.

This is not it

( no one's crazy enough to invite me to shit so we can not worry about this)

I had honestly intended to leave it alone when I finished reading it in borders today, because the propel wondering if I was going to incinerate it in my hands was enough.

But Nezua's right and so is Donna

I have no desire to be good and as things GET PROGRESSIVELY WORSE for women , and people seem to have no idea why their mad. We have to sya the real or say the real consequences.

I am not demoralized. I am disgusted.

And I am naming names.

Nubian who has of course left for her sanity was right about this six months ago

WHEN SHE JUST SAW THE DAMN COVER

But this has nothing to do with me.

As a woman of color

As a woman of a certain class

As a woman of a certain education level and mindset

As a woman of a certain faith

So officially when I say

I'm not a feminist but,

If this is how you will be introducing "feminism" to young women,

Ms Valenti

When I say this is not me,

I would appreciate if you not be so brilliantly uninformed as to try and disrespectful as to try and dismiss offhand like I was some recalcitrant toddler or couch your condescension by only quoting the most baseless ( yet the fact it comes up in every piece you talk about ) homophobic bile in an effort to make yourself look better.

As a 22 year old women reading this book , I felt disrespected. As a teacher of nearly 9 years especially of "at risk " youth, I was appalled.

Young women do not need friends who reduce their problems with feminism to some issue with the coolness factor.

The definitely do not need it from people who would choose a very specific half naked torso and various approximations of Valley girl lingo .

I am a young woman who is NOT a feminist. I am a young woman who is one of many young women who has disagreed ,disengaged, delinked, and been disrespected by many of the feminist sisterhood.

I am part of a much longer line of women who has been caricatured, stolen from, and used .

Here our a young woman's problem with "feminism"

ESPECIALLY the full frontal kind.

It is lovely that the control of our bodies in the eyes of a leader is simply the war of prudes versus fun gals.

More so the idea that babies are our punishment is something that can only occur for someone who lives to expect that the babies she chooses to have some day will be valued.

As a WOC I can point you to dozens of countries where our people are forcibly sterelized .

While we can always always count on our outraged American white women to show up if the rights to abortions aka : "the insurance to fuck like entitled white men" is threatened where are they when women who wish to have children suffer dangerous fistulas , or bleed out due to lack of healthcare.

Is it not a feminist issue when our sisters and mothers in America are almost guaranteed subpar pre-natal health care. Is it not a feminist issue because those bellies don't look good without disembodied spare parts.

As a young woman the unattainable beauty standards and large weddings that you seem to think we can be deprogrammed out of are NOT just media received messages nor are they for some of us simply patriarchy programming.

I have long hair,big breasts, and a decidedly femme sensibility

Because it is my culture , and also because of who I am if i was not my life would be amazingly difficult.

It is disturbing to me that you seem to agree with the media culture that the young women who might choose this are as shallow and vapid as you make us sound.

That we may not have a decision to dress in certain ways that are culturally but not media influenced.

Or the very real influence it has on our lives.

The chapter Feminist do it better and other sex tips.

Thank you for subscribing to every cliche known to man that our block to feminism comes from some post Vagina Monologues obsession about our cunts.

Which yes even at 22 I am not so ashamed to mention.

It is not all about sex . The abortion debate is not all about sex. we are not little children in need of fairy tales to understand the very real consequences of lack of body autonomy.

We need no demonized cabals of people and we for sure don't need the junior encouragement of "making fun of the prudes" to instruct us into action.

I am not as a young woman in need of a faux peer , I need allies and understanding

I am of a generation where the money invested in our education is consistently dwindling, Where the difference between a student who graduated the year before me and my year debt was upped nearly six thousand dollars

Our access to health care )if We're not the kind of women who honestly feel that fights about their disposable are the ultimate barrier to feminism) is of consistently poor quality. Those doctors you seem to feel okay farming us out to have a bad habit of misdiagnosing some of us , regularly, without fail.

If we can get there.


My big problem with this book ,with the blogosphere, with the conduct of many of these big lefty feminist bloggers.

Is that tehy insist on acting immature, defensive,obtuse, oblibious and stealing and calling it " young feminism"

When women of color expressed a problem with teh use of racist tropes to make fun of women bloggers.

These women insulted my intelligence,and my reading comprehension, they did drive by posts intimating that Bint was feeling special things all in her head , And the rest of them stood by.

When WOMEN were forcibly torn from their children , they stood by.

But a Quizno's sub commercial , or a fashion model hundreds of comments. Lots of attention

This type of thing isn't about age or youth or seriousness.

It's about selfishness , and attention grubbing entitlement.

When Jessica Valenti wrote a post dedicated to the indictment of elders as a young feminist , she predicated it on teh fact that of course they were doing it because she was young.

When another young woma n disagreed with her on Ampersand because she obtusely either intetionally or carelessly made sure to aggrandize the upperclass organizations she wanted acess to as the face of feminism.

She made sure to criticize the women's reading and never show up again.

Feminism is a full frontal media assault where issues are only important as long as you cna get some power.

You claim to speak for young feminists being out of the age range of MANY of our primary concerns.

You do not engage in any real feminist interaction with the women you claim to want to reach , a multitude of people who have reject feminism unless their rejection can be characterized or remedied by glibness,condescension and tut tuts to the most superficial or the emotions coursing through what is an obscenely difficult time in our lives.

You know better cause your older but older feminists are cruel.

You will show up anywhere to correct ( often glibly and incoorrectly) perceptions of yourself.

You post attack s on women as long as their on the wrong side.

But you have the gall to say this feminism addresses it's issues. When you can be barely pressed to engage the women of color who have issues with? you have the nerve to sell an idea to young women that it is open when you hope to make your money off the very fact it's not.

The problem with this book is that for a feminist you have embraced through trying to counteract every untrue, malicious , and simplistic view of the shallowness of women, and our concerns and thing if you put in soundbytes we won't notice that your only talking to a few of us and simply using the rest of us to look good.

But worse you claim to do it in my name.

Yes my name

A young woman, with hopes dreams goals fears and challenges.

None of which you addressed in any substantial form,

none of which you consider to have more life that three line posts.

Feminism is failing because too many feminists believe the worst in the women they claim to be reaching.

As a proud woman

as an imperative of my life , my love, my very being

if you get nothing else

get this

NOT NOW

NOT EVER

but especially

if this is all you have to offer

NOT IN MY FUCKING NAME

THIS IS WHY I AM NOT A FEMINIST


Donna , Ren EV, BFP,Kai, Kevin,Nezua and Bint what are the imperatives we need to know?

48 comments:

Veronica said...

I was pretty sure the Valenti book wasn't going to be "deep," but I guess she took the shallow and ran with it?

Sylvia said...

Hallelujah.

I don't care if you warped the meme. As a "young woman," you hit the nail on the damned head. And I'm sure most other young women would agree that our imperative is for older, out of touch, "fun" feminists to shut the hell up and actually listen to us.

I hope Nubian is breathing a sigh of satisfaction.

Blackamazon said...

I'm sure most other young women would agree that our imperative is for older, out of touch, "fun" feminists to shut the hell up and actually listen to us.

GO TELL IT ON The MOUNTAIN

OVER THE HILLS AND EVERYWHERE

Veronica ( i keep fight the urge to go ronnie) ,

it was written like she believed she didn't think we had the sense nor the think power god gave turkeys

She iindites peopel who calls us shallow and talks to us worse.

Sh euses a masters degree as a justification for why her sexlife isnt a point

meaning she ignores the rvery real problems actual young women are having getting educations

and also avoiding teh possibility of

us telling those people

to sit the hell down and can it.

iT was unfailingly white privileged and ridiculously unfair to young women

and Nubian called it 8 months ago

Andrew said...

"More so the idea that babies are our punishment is something that can only occur for someone who lives to expect that the babies she chooses to have some day will be valued."

Yup

'"the insurance to fuck like entitled white men"'

Loves it :P

"It's about selfishness , and attention grubbing entitlement."

Yup again, BA.

Renegade Evolution said...

BA: You speak better, louder, prouder, and truer for yourself than 1000 J.V.'s could ever do. I've not read her book, nor do I think I will. I've had enough of feminism, full frontal or otherwise, to last me a good long time.

And you know, I don't know where to go or what to do with much these days. It annoys the shit out of me that everything is Hillary Clinton and no one seems to care that Obama ALREADY has to have special security. I am tired of seeing women with legit concerns being ignored because they don't say what they say in a manner which is up to other peoples specs. I am tired of hearing "you just don't understand" out of people who would never take the time to understand others.

I'm not a "young woman", nor a "young feminist"...nor all that fun either, really. I am a 35 year old sex worker who pays cash out of pocket for medical care. Jessica and others aren't speaking to or for me...I'm not young enough, not political enough, not "socially acceptable" enough. I'm from a lower middle class family, I busted and shook my ass to get through school, and I certainly have no book titles to add to my creds...

So what, possibly, could I ever have to say about anything wrt to women's issues? Wrt to "young feminism"? Hell, I am vapid, vain, and selfish, after all...oh, and crazy.

nah, a whole lot of people out there don't speak for me, or to me, or even come close to addressing what I think are important things...in the really real here and now world...

So I guess all any of us can do is say "no, that's not it, that's not me, nor what i want, think or say...this is"

and just keep yelling. Someone will hear. I hope.

Donna said...

Oh Veronica, you don't know the half of it. The word for today is "vapid". That is the one DD used to describe it last night and it fits the best. It also makes me thing of vapors--light fluffy nothing. That is this book.

So there I was, reading this one part of the book, Jessica is talking eugenics, and how these three poor black sisters got sterilized against their will, tsk, tsk. Then goes on to say that, see, feminism is about more than abortion and birth control....so let's move on to talk about abortion and birth control now, shall we?

I'm wondering if those few sentences were added in after Nubian asked her if the book was for white women only. It sure looks like an afterthought that anything involving POC was in that book.

GAH! The whole tone is talking down to the reader and in a patronizing, think they're stupid, way that I wouldn't ever talk to my sons (14 and soon to be 16). It reminded me of when everyone was making fun of Joe Biden because he was trying to be a "hip" and "with it" old geek by using outdated 60s/70s terms like "hip" and "with it". Ok, her slang is more current, but she's nearly 30, and talks like she's a bratty 10 yr old who just discovered naughty swear words. "Don't you hate when people rag on you? It's a downer. FUCK THEM!" Those aren't her exact words but you will find that kind of thing in there.

It makes me wonder if they have no editors at Seal Press, just the printing press, because I can't imagine a human being approving this swill or thinking it is at all useful.

Go read some excerpts at Amazon.

nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez said...

kick ass. i will respond, thank you.

Renegade Evolution said...

Donna:

Okay, I could only make it through a few pages of the amazon exerpts...and I swear and rant a lot...but...

"like, oh my fucking god! This, like society thing, with the men dissing us, it's like (hair flip), such bullshit, totally!"

If I handed that book to my 17 year old neice she's ask me what planet than claims to be Orange County CA the author came from....

Blackamazon said...

I think what made me pitch my

" CHICK PLEASE

SIT YO ASS DOWN"

was I have taught kids from both sides of the spectrum recently.


And yes they can be vapid cause there teenagers but they have real concerns and real thoughts and real issues that when they tellme about them

I sit agape because for real

LESS THAN five years older than some of them.

AND I HAVE NO DAMN CLUE that was going on

and rather than give them avenues or tools to discuss it

we send it more bullshit.

and as far as sex goes

how bout this for one month

We all stop talking about other peoples pussies and only talk about sex if its good life affirming

they seem desperate to hinge a movement on young womens vaginas rather than their cares.

Young women are not owed the sex lives of young men

which h at this point niether party may want

These kids are great and awful and real and need

REAL help towards tealing with their issue

and while they dont have high faluting degrees yet

or may not knwo terminology

but they hav e real assesments about why and why not feminist doesnt resonate with them

and that book adressed

NONE OF THEM

a clear none

Donna said...

That's what I mean RenEv! Also, it's one thing to talk informally on your blog or amongst your friends, but the amount of gratuitous profanity? It doesn't seem to have a point other than to say, see, I'm cool because I swear. Well, my 14 yr old thinks that. My 16 yr old has already gotten over that idea. I wonder how many more years it will take Jessica?

The message I was taking away from that book is: Kiddies, it's ok to do anything you want. Fucking like bunnies and swearing like longshore men: That's what feminism is all about!

Well here's an excerpt:
"That's where feminism comes in. Seriously. Feminism says that you
have a right to enjoy yourself. An obligation, even. Young women need
to get past the bullshit, scoff at the shame tactics, and get back to
the hard work of getting off"

Hmmm and what did BA say that these middle class white feminists really want? "the insurance to fuck like entitled white men"

Yup!

Renegade Evolution said...

Donna:

Well, for the record, I am all for fucking and getting off...IF you are adult enough to deal with it emotionally and take responsibility....

Yeah, did she mention, amid all that getting off, how FLAWED sex education is these days? Anything like that?

I mean, yeah, I think I am entitled to fuck who, how, when, and for whatever reasons I want, but hey, I am a vapid 30 something who swears like a longshoreman, you know, adult stuff...do I think that is just hunkydory for, oh, 14 year olds?

Um, no.

Meh, I will be posting some thoughts on this whole thing soon enough...

Donna said...

LOL RenEv, you missed my point. I'm all for fucking like bunnies and have no problem throwing a swear word in when I am truly pissed, or simply to emphasize a point. I'm no prude when it comes to either sex or language. It's more the intended effect, I felt that the addition of words like fuck, crap, bullshit, etc didn't really add to the credibility of what she was saying, it was more like listening to my 14 year old talk to his friends when he thinks I'm not listening. Gratuitous.

The other point is that they think that having the privilege to screw anytime they want with no responsibility and no consequences just like the white boys do, is the be all end all of feminism. That is their priority and overriding goal. That's like how they think getting rid of the burqa is the priority for women of Afghanistan. Um, sure it would be nice, but the priority? Over getting yourself and the kids fed? Over keeping families together and getting innocent women and children out of prison? Over getting the bombs and bullets to stop killing our sisters and their families in Iraq and Afghanistan?

I'd like to think that equality is about more than getting laid without someone thinking I'm a slut. FUCK THEM! fuck, crap, bullshit, cunt, hell! (Am I cool like Jessica yet?) shit, dick, damn!

Renegade Evolution said...

Donna:

"The other point is that they think that having the privilege to screw anytime they want with no responsibility and no consequences just like the white boys do, is the be all end all of feminism. "

hehe, I got that, I was just being...um...me? Yeah, that works. There is more to feminism than that, for dang sure, and with great sex comes great responsibility and all...

kactus said...

Damn BA, you make me want to stand up and jump around or something. Jesus. Instead I think I'll just go do some circles around the room in the scooter, hollering "whoot! whoot!" the whole time.

You're that fucking good.

I'm an old woman. My old woman's soul and old woman's body already did the full frontal thing. Other concerns now.

This is the merest blip on my radar. I'm so glad to be past it.

I think of my oldest daughter and her friends who are dealing with survival issues, living on the streets, navigating a world that cancels them out, and am not surprised that my daughter doesn't claim the word feminist. She'd say I already know how to fuck. Now give me some fucking education and a place to live and a guarantee of my next meal, ok?

This book is like giving somebody a milkshake when they really need a porkchop.

One question tho for Donna: who is DD? I'd like to read that review.

belledame222 said...

It annoys the shit out of me that everything is Hillary Clinton and no one seems to care that Obama ALREADY has to have special security. I am tired of seeing women with legit concerns being ignored because they don't say what they say in a manner which is up to other peoples specs. I am tired of hearing "you just don't understand" out of people who would never take the time to understand others.

Yeah.

I'm not feeling very "fun" these days either.

bizarrely, (it's hot, i have a headache, i'm not making tons of sense, sue me), i'm cross associating to this little blurb i read somewhere about some guy in a 19th century Swiss hostel who comes in all cheerful and friendly, not really tweaking that everyone in the dining room is at each others' throats, and in theory it's about -which- disgusting dessert you regularly choose, cold rice glop or prunes. so he pushes them both away ("prunes! never in my life!") and they all walk out in a huff:

"Neither Rice nor Prune!" an outrage.

you know, there -are- no other choices.

"neither radical feminist nor fun feminist!"

fancy!

and yet, you -still- want to eat? i don't get it.

clear the dining room, there may have been a place at the table but who really wants to sit and eat here anyway?

Donna said...

"and with great sex comes great responsibility and all..." LMAO, would you stop that Ren! I am trying to be angry and serious! That should be the tagline to your posts. LOL

Kactus, I meant Devious Diva, and I was actually wrong about who said it. DD is on my mind because her chat is today at her blog, This Is Not My Country, and I'm looking forward to that. Anyway, the one who said the book was vapid is actually Vox ex Machina. It's in my inbox not on her blog, I don't think she will mind if I quote her though.

She said: "This is so vapid and pointless, and so many people are giving it good reviews, which means they either think that's what feminism is, or they didn't bother reading it. I'm really hoping it's the second. :-/ "

belledame222 said...


how bout this for one month

We all stop talking about other peoples pussies and only talk about sex if its good life affirming


yeah. well, i'm now feeling so irritated that she apparently gave this much ammunition to -other- oblivious people ("grim feminism," is it?) like g-m-r and Heart that i want to say...something...but, oo, not-particularly-shiny lint.

maybe best to ignore it.

i have other shit i wanted to write about first. including Nezua's piece (which is fuckin' brill) and what happened with the p'leeece a few days ago now

i have a headache.

sigh.

kactus said...

thanks Donna. I was thinking maybe Donna Darko, but I don't know that she has a blog (although it would be very interesting if she does). Of course Devious Diva, I should have known.

belledame222 said...

on a totally unrelated note, but speaking of long-awaited apparently foregone conclusions, Blair's resigning.

belledame222 said...

there was another DD, but well she turned out to be a giant asshole unfortunately.

and yet another example of someone who managed to inextricably link "sex positive" with "self-centered git" in the minds of many, albeit in a rather different context.

gargh.

belledame222 said...

and, okay, the "obligation to enjoy yourself"--that, that i have the germ of saying something, but -spasm-

"After the Revolution, you will all eat strawberries and cream and you will LIKE strawberries and cream!"

"oh."

-gnaws nails-

Renegade Evolution said...

Donna:

I have no sense of humor, doncha know? Though it would be a fine tagline...hummm.

However, my word of the day is apathy. Generally, apathy is not an additional deadly sin I suffer from, but it's high up there lately. I am sorta "feminism, meehhhh" right now. Because I am tired of seeing feminism with built in cast systems. And seeing all the people I think are smart and grand with something to say and amazing voices being deemed untouchable, for whatever reason. Pat on the head, here's a cookie don't cut it with the Renegade, you know?

So much of this seems to boil down to "feminism for the cool kids, geeks, freaks, nerds, ect. need not apply".

So yeah, meehhhh.

Veronica said...

Well... I'm not surprised, really.

Valenti's got an sizable audience already, so she could well have argued that her "voice" would be ruined by someone taking a good red pen to the mess.

"This is so vapid and pointless, and so many people are giving it good reviews, which means they either think that's what feminism is, or they didn't bother reading it. I'm really hoping it's the second. :-/ "

It's possible she'll whack up against an audience that's Just Plain Stupid. Never underestimate the power of DUH. I mean... Jenny McCarthy wrote a best-selling book on childbirth with that same format--the curse words, the 2 page chapters, the "go girl!" ridiculousness. There are "Girlfriend's Guides" to yoga, and macrobiotics, and CANCER, and any number of serious topics. There's nothing that can't be dumbed down in book form. Mostly, 'cause there's just no shortage of folks that 1.) don't like long sentences or complex ideas, and 2.) aren't aware that being talked at on a fourth grade level might be something to get offended over.

The world is full of, well, vapid people. And, a lot of them have been to college.

So, yeah, it's really lame, and deeply Valenti to assume that Young=thoughtless idiot. She should have named it the "The Shallow Guide to White Professional Feminism." But... well... that says a lot more about her, than it does about the actual state of young, female America.

Nanette said...

BA, this is brilliant. There is always so much power and imagery in your words - they come to life.

When I was reading the excerpts from the FFF pablum, overlaying it in my mind's ear I could hear your voice reading the essay you wrote not that long ago about the young man who had to grow up so fast, work so hard and who slept in the cold.

The contrast was pretty stark.

(and now I am snorting with laughter because my word verification word is "manho")

Nanette said...

But... well... that says a lot more about her, than it does about the actual state of young, female America.

Thank the deities.

belledame222 said...

Never underestimate the power of DUH.

now THAT's a tagline.

"the power of DUH is in your little finger!"

"may the DUH be with you!"

"the DUH is strong with this one..."

magniloquence said...

I just fell in love with like four different women, reading this. Wow. Donna and BA, especially. (Belldame, you already knew I loved you, didn't you? And we've totally already had this talk, Sylvia.)

Ahem.

I think pleasure is radical, the way Aunt B. talks about it at Tiny Cat Pants. But that's a very different construction than you see at the Big Feminist Blogs or the Feminist Primer Books. It's not just about getting off in a situation or fucking like the men do, it's about working toward lives we can be comfortable and fulfilled in... and that means lives where we can fuck (or not fuck) the partners we want, in whatever combination and number they may come; have (or not have) the kids we want (or don't want); feed ourselves and our children with dignity and (relative) ease; work jobs that are challenging and fulfilling and rewarded fairly; and face our days without fear of rape or murder or coercion. Eudaimonaeic pleasure, rather than simple physical pleasure.

That, I think, is radical.

But it's also not the point here, and that's pissing me off. For all the front-runners talk an inclusive talk, their words are anything but. And we talk and we talk and we talk, and just get called on our prioritizing our "pet issues" and "derailing the movement".

Like I said elsehwere:
"Empowerment for a rich white woman does not mean the same thing it means for a poor white woman, or a middle class black woman, or a disabled woman of any race. What looks like meanest oppression to a smart, college educated young woman with everything else going for her might look like heaven to a woman who had to drop out of high school to feed herself. What sounds like freedom to an atheist woman who hates being told what to wear can be insulting and oppressive to a woman who just wants to be able to bathe modestly. And for damn sure, “choice” does not mean the same thing for a white woman who can’t get sterilized when she wants to as it does for a woman of color who was sterilized without her consent or knowledge, or a “bad” woman who desperately wants to have a baby.

You cannot say that your movement is working for my rights if the only rights you’re working for are the ones you yourself endorse. If the only lens is the white one, then no matter how universal the cause is, and how much I am affected by and sympathetic to your issues… they will not speak adequately for me."


If you can't even pretend to care about my life, then you do not speak for me. And if you cannot speak for me, you for damn sure can't speak in my name.

Donna said...

belle, I laughed out loud at "grim feminism". The thing I thought was, I'm a feminist, not the grim kind. LMAO. That, "I'm a VICTIM! I must now gnash my teeth and rend my garments!" does get old after awhile.

belledame222 said...

a pal likes to say,

"I'm a feminist. Not the nuts kind."

that one doesn't go over real well either for some reason...

(hi, magniloquence!!)

belledame222 said...

I'm just steeling myself for the inevitable moment when Spinster Aunt decides to give it a review. between the initial grenade and resultant soundwaves and the white knights in response, (and the counter, and the counter-counter), it'll be Teh FemBlogWar of the Year, and the spew levels won't sink for over a week.

Donna Darko said...

NOT IN MY FUCKING NAME

THIS IS WHY I AM NOT A FEMINIST


holee shit, BA.

Feminizm Matterz

lolz over at sylvia's.

kactus, fwiw, fff is vapid. and condescending. she seems to have been very angry when writing it. it's clearly for 15-20 valley girl mallrats. market research probably found out these are the women who will marry white men who have the influence in the future.

as far feminism and pro-choice politics about fucking as many privileged white men as possible. i only get that sense from a couple big feminist bloggers. pro-choice politics is about controlling fertility and not getting pregnant. which is problematic with the history of poc. but not getting pregnant is central to women becoming equal in the world.

Donna Darko said...

this post is a classic woc writing for the ages.

belledame222 said...

and yeah: i've said before that "not fun" doesn't automatically equal "serious." neither does "not femme," or "doesn't have too much sex, or the wrong kind of sex, yadda."

otoh, "fun" really shouldn't have to mean "shallow" or "pre-chewed."

"fun" to me just means "someone whose company I enjoy, and/or whose writing is a pleasure to read." someone who doesn't take -herself- too seriously.

that is a very different proposition from not taking the -subject- too seriously; or from taking -other people's concerns- too seriously.

jazz and rocknroll and hip-hop and even dry-as-a-bone "classical" sonatas are all good and valid.

it shouldn't have to be, your choices are either All Wagner All The Time or the most lightweight of bubblegum.

Blackamazon said...

hi eveyrone i slow
The power of the Duh is strong

but there have been fun relevant books written that dont make me cry


and I am really starting to get claws extended offended at the

well dont you like pleasue or your agianst sex bullshit

BEcause

it goes heavy on teh asusmption i found anything in that sexy

this wanst about femal e centered pleasure in life

this was bout how to take things from men without think of men as people

while sounding as inane as possible so as not sto scare these supposedly skittish young women

I am young

i am here

and i am APALLED

and it is mor eteling considering its form awoman whos ebeen throwing fits against how condescending Katha Politt is to her

as a youth and then writes

THIS

okay

and i do not wnat strawberries and cream all the time

i want lychees in vodka

Thank you!

Donna Darko said...

And we talk and we talk and we talk, and just get called on our prioritizing our "pet issues" and "derailing the movement"

magniloquence, this was about the new republic (gag)'s cover story that the progressive blogosphere and netroots i.e. electoral blogs and intellectual blogs like tpm are now the biggest force in u.s. politics. the netroots ambitiously wants democrats to be like the conservative movement and christian right movement since goldwater. in other words, they want

1. democrats to win for the next 20-30 years

2. to move the democratic party left

i actually agree that winning is critical and dems must move left. there's a world of difference between gore and bush and i never voted third party because i can't afford it as a woc. if anyone wants to read it

http://www.tnr.com/user/nregi.mhtml?i=20070507&s=chait050707

Donna Darko said...

i just read that story at the b&n and figured it out. it made me feel better because those posts about diversity at mydd were mighty offensive.

BA, i'm sorry the book, etc. made you cry. i haven't read it and it's clearly for 15-20 year old valley girls.

Nanette said...

i just read that story at the b&n and figured it out. it made me feel better because those posts about diversity at mydd were mighty offensive.

Donna D, I like when they write white supremacist posts like that at MyDD because it shows loud and clear exactly who and what they are all about. Stoller, a while back, even started calling their thing "the White Progressive Movement", which I thought was great - truth in advertising and all that - but probably didn't focus group well.

What is "the b&n"?

BA:

and it is mor eteling considering its form awoman whos ebeen throwing fits against how condescending Katha Politt is to her

I'd forgotten about that. I don't know whether they have been or no (and I can't imagine this book would cause them to think she was worth bothering with now), but it certainly is telling that she turns around and writes a book for "young women" apparently based on the belief that they are mostly all Paris Hilton's brain clones.

bfp said...

I'm just steeling myself for the inevitable moment when Spinster Aunt decides to give it a review. between the initial grenade and resultant soundwaves and the white knights in response, (and the counter, and the counter-counter), it'll be Teh FemBlogWar of the Year, and the spew levels won't sink for over a week.


::rolls eyes:: i know belle--i'm not exactly looking forward to that either. already it's starting to fragement off into "well you must hate sexuality"--it will only take a minute for the other side to get into action--once twisty gets going should put the official nail on the coffin--and all the rest of us, yet again, will be sitting on the sidelines wondering when anybody is going to wake the hell up and realize the whole world is not about the sexual young white feminist. that of all the people in the world, they have had ENOUGH time, money, resources, and effort poured into them--that maybe the reason they think feminism is dead is because they're lives are so freaking privileged, they don't NEED feminsim like other women do. that maybe it's not about "ewww, yuck, i don't want to be a dyke"--that maybe it's that they have the time, money, resources and support necessary to leave abusive relationships, get into good schools, get the great job, take time off to have babies and actually afford birth control and abortions when they need them. that maybe young black, latina, asian, arab, and native women aren't enjoying sex because they've been raped and molested, they've been put on birth control since they were 12, they're lesbians, they don't want to get AIDS or they worked for 15 hours in a row with no break for five days that week--again. Or maybe they are enjoying the best fucking masturbation sex of their lives, and being told that they need to go out and hump a man is offensive. young women--*real* young women have been taking care of themselves and each other for many years now--they've been doing a LOT more radical work than jessica could dream of--I mean, sistaII sista has been organizing feminist freedom schools and child care collectives and health care co-ops with people in other freaking continents for *years* now. and i'm offended on their behalf, on BA's behalf and petit and sylvia--all of whom are passionate, caring, deep thinking, fierce, and involved--I'm offended because they've been insulted by someone in MY age group--someone in MY age group is busy convincing the world that young feminists don't exist and that they aren't capable of articulating their needs and beliefs and that the way to talk "to" them is to swear and dumb down.

belledame222 said...

b&n: barnes & noble i presume.

meanwhile, surfing about, i found this.

i could quibble, y'know, from my own cynical white bougie 21st century standpoint, with some of this--Klassic Kommunist speak of course, & Robespierre, kind of problematica figure there, cheering bourgeois at his death or not, and well, language about "parasites" and so on doesn't really tend to lead to great places no matter how justified it feels--but, well, this seemed apropos enough:

...Most of those bourgeois women who act like lionesses in the struggle against "male prerogatives" would trot like docile lambs in the camp of conservative and clerical reaction if they had suffrage. Indeed, they would certainly be a good deal more reactionary than the male part of their class.

...The current mass struggle for women's political rights is only an expression and a part of the proletariat's general struggle for liberation. In this lies its strength and its future. Because of the female proletariat, general, equal, direct suffrage for women would immensely advance and intensify the proletarian class struggle. This is why bourgeois society abhors and fears women's suffrage. And this is why we want and will achieve it.


--good ol' Rosa Luxemberg, 1912

(* also:

"Higgledy piggledy my red hen,
She lays eggs for gentlemen;
She won't be induced by rope or lariat
To lay her eggs for the proletariat"

--Dorothy Parker)

AradhanaD said...

thanks BA - I heart this post.

petitpoussin said...

I love reading more of everybody breaking this down and airing it out... I mean, what. We have to be stupid now? It's why I got all picturesque in my 'review', a little 'lipstick feminist' if you will. Not because I have problems with wearing lipstick as a feminist (my tummy liked the 99 cent shit a whole lot, it had aloe vera for pete's sake! the 99 cent kind!), but because, well, what the hell else are you gonna say. [thought me]

but yeah, BA, way to say it all. I said it at my place and I'll say it here, I know and love a lot of young women who can't buy into feminism in its most prevalent form, and this bullshit ain't gonna convince 'em.

Anthony Kennerson said...

WOW.

I know that I tend to say that whenever you post another one of these missives...but this time it is deserving.

I can feel 'ya on the inanity and the sheer whackiness of JW's book...who the hell is she to think that she can even represent to young women what feminism really is or should be?? Does she even think that the world exists outside of her coocoon of Paris Hilton/Britney Spears wannabe Valley Girls??

Now, I'm all for good consensual fucking and an occasional cuss word now and then like most folk....but I'm not that dense or stupid to say that there aren't REAL people and REAL issues that should be tackled by REAL women that J-Val tends to avoid in her rush to sell her philosophy to the "rich White slut" crowd.

And besides that, J-Val perverts. desecrates, and mocks the struggle of REAL authentic sex-positive women and feminists who, unlike her, understood the limits and struggles of real women, and who never forgot about the intimate relationship between sexuality, race, and class. Was Valenti so busy with her book and choosing her cover to forget to acknowledge such pioneers like the Boston Women's Health Collective (who created the original "Our Bodies, Ourselves")?? Or the many feminist activists who -- unlike her -- were willing to combine real grass roots activism with their focus of sexual education?? Hell, Susie Bright, Nina Hartley, and even Betty "Queen of Masturbation" Dodson" has more feminist cred in attacking real life human issues than J-Val would ever know. And they are far more progressive on social and economic issues than she ever could imagine.

Of, course, this will simply be served up by the usual APRF crusaders as ample proof to smear all progressive sex-positives as vapid, vain monsters who put their pursuit of orgasms above the real suffering of women. That reason alone -- besides what BA said about her attempts to steal from WOC -- is more than sufficient to rip this book.

This is no more than libertarian Right/neoliberal panty gazing masked as "feminist" activism. Not that much better than APRF fascism....just it's flip side.


Brava, BA, for your usual telling it like it is.


Anthony

bint alshamsa said...

BA, I wish I could even bring myself to write about this right now. It's just simply too infuriating. I've been trying to take some time and really see if I could get to the point where I could write in a dispassionate manner about Valenti's current insult to women everywhere. It still hasn't happened. Every time I try to get started, I just feel so enraged by it all, so I guess that's just how I'm going to have to say my piece. I doubt that I can do so as eloquently as you do here but I just can't see not speaking out about this.

Blackamazon said...

Bint I'd go with angry and its infurigating cause

IT's infuriating


Everyone whose read any exepts
wants to to vomit

and it's left the aww its cute stage its now in the

SHADDUP

and leave us o ut of it

Donna Darko said...

when anybody is going to wake the hell up and realize the whole world is not about the sexual young white feminist.

they don't NEED feminsim like other women do.

that maybe young black, latina, asian, arab, and native women aren't enjoying sex because they've been raped and molested, they've been put on birth control since they were 12, they're lesbians, they don't want to get AIDS or they worked for 15 hours in a row with no break for five days that week--again.

sista II sista has been organizing feminist freedom schools and child care collectives and health care co-ops with people in other freaking continents for *years* now.


yeah.

Radfem said...

Yeah, I got to page 3 and wanted to vomit. Maybe I'll work through it further, maybe not.

Love letter to feminism? Love letter to herself, more likely.

And nubian did call it. And great article, BA.

Thorne said...

GrrrlllChilde (an affectionate term from this crazy, ol', non-white, dyke feminist)
You are simply fucking amazing. I need to say:
1st) I haven't read FFF
2nd) I don't care to. The controversy surrounding it here on the blogosphere has, I believe, given me a clear enough picture of the rhetoric it contains (and that's a sampling of most if not all "sides/views")
3rd) My comment is somewhat off topic in that I am addressing the incredible voice with which you speak your truth, rather than necessarily the subject at hand.
So, simply. Thank you for your honesty, your outrage, your expression of self which speaks for so many others like you. I fall into a whole different subset of generalizations (and some similar ones) which often leave me outside of the generally accepted "definition" of Feminism. Still I claim it, this label, in the (idealistic? Vain?) hope that it WILL become inclusive. I respect your choice NOT TO identify as feminist, but must needs SHOUT that my understanding/definition of feminism would be exalted by your inclusion.
Bless your heart.
Keep fighting the good fight!

Polly Jones said...

I am an older, somewhat out of touch, not so fun, feminist.

My understanding of feminism resonates with the words you have written here; it does not resonate with what I have been chided for calling "feel-good-feminism".

I am unfamiliar with many of the discussions/disagreemenents mentioned in the threads on Feministe. But, seeing people make comments on there such as "white women are just as oppressed..." and finding some of the old entries by Nubian, I think "disgusted" describes how I feel quite well.