God I'm tired. MAny folks won't like me after this one
Making it a day ending in Y but I need to get this off my chest
Why is art so unimportant when it hurts me but important when it makes you feel good?
The mere idea of me not liking this one filmmaker and having strong reasonably articulate thoughts about it has driven people to distraction.
Fine whatever .
What bugs me is that they have latched on to it at the expensive of the substance of the posts that used the term and the deluge of whiny bullshit that has followed the posts.
If these people spent the time they spent bitching about how they had a problem with it writing a letter or calling somebody in connection to the issues at hand or throwing up a blogpost in support of women with no there options as they did " defending a multimillionaire filmmaker I think I'd write pages and pages to the glory of SC in response?
What's most interesting is that the responses indicate to me that these women haven't read the fucking post.
And the anonymous questions with no linking or links with no context. It's not cute it's smug and rude. Engage me or don't but don't fucking patronize me .
I reread my own article . I never once say said or imply that Coppola herself is or is not a feminist.
I examined her films and extrapolated out how her structuring of certain films and convenient ofrgetting/rewriting/completely westernizing the narrative was so dead on in terms of how many feminists treat any even REMOTE question that even deems to leave the fucking rails of chocice, birth control, sex, poles lalalala.
And the links of course prove my damn point but hey when you think that the problem is I'm just not well versed enough or don;t fucking get your point of view what's actually listening to my point ?
BEcause when I talk about how much this type of thing and the comparative narrative is dependent on making Westernism and straight up American white aesthetics the center of the fucking world, an interview where a person describes AN ENTIRE MOTHERFUCKING CITY as " either or" or their use of certain symbols as " getting it wrong" and sprinkles " weird through out is really fucking helpful.
ONCE A MOTHERFUCKING GAIN from the top. The mere idea that you would presume to frame your opinion of another place shows the myopia of your relating skills. The fact that you do this from a reasonably expensive hotel instead of youth hostel, or a friends floor is a really excellent example of rampant class bias.
MY GOD. If you lack the vision to go someplace and see it for what it is and then tell me it's weird, I DON'T CARE WHAT FUCKING IRONIC APPROVAL you get from people who are aiming toward westernization, it's still myopic and self centered.
Not to mention the constant but but this person liked it because as we all know all " Others" get together and have a fucking vote on how we feel on shit. Not like we could be diverse people and have some hate this shit and others love it? NO fucking herd pack.
And frankly no you can't have it both ways. The director/film/book/fandom/song is either important and moving enough to change you OR it's inconsequential.
If it's not why the fuck are you arguing with me about it.
Oh that's right for YOU to have an opinion it's a mother fucking right but for me to have one I need a thesis, evidence, and at least three motherfuckers to back me up, but make sure their white.
And lordy I wish , WISH, this shit ended at just people being uptight about me dinging ( even though I didn't ) their hipster goddess.
But nope.
The hits just keep on coming!
It boggles people's mind that we might notice when all the brown folk are oversexed or servants. That it might bother us and I love the justifications of it but but I've been a barista. Tehy make lots of money, but but that's how it's written!
No shit.
It's this prevailing.. like I can't even find another word for it except smugness for right now, that every time WOC/POC/ opens their mouth to observe or say anything it's a character assault rather than a thought.
Like our every thought is consumed with the Magical Negro/Mystic Asian/Wise Native desire to make you act better, or Angry ( insert ethnicity/ "special interest group " identifier ) out to spoil your fun.
I've often wondered if many of the why are we still bothering with white people posts or are frustrations aren't the fact we actually talk bout them that much but that the minute WE OBSERVE ANY FUCKING THING AT ALL it becomes a pity party of why white folk ain't that bad. Like if we voice any objections or point out at all that it's just not okay whatever your reason that it FUCKING HURTS that for once someone will say I see that and I'm sorry and not make the magical morphing transformation into why it's so bad for us to notice or why we take it so seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE IT HURTS
Part of the reason it hurts so bad is that we KNOW it's not getting better at all. I felt that post from BFP so much. Because as an actor I've been there. You have to trust and put yourself out there for even light, fluffy mindless, entertainment and if you get deep into the creative process you start to realize why we (POC/strong women/people with disabilities) aren't there.
They work hard to eliminate us.
Trying to comb through auditions for something that isn't a mammy , or trying to explain how it's not hard for you to understand being a fucking intellectual on stage to some snot nosed fuckhead , about why it shouldn't be shocking at fucking all for a Caribbean from the hood to know how to use chopsticks. That is the norm of the life NOT the exception.
or being the first person the lookout when they want contorted body positions, and hookers. Why your nudity is so fucking symbolic, or " important" or advertising of destituteness , never ever erotic ( fetish sure, some amazing show of super(sub)human sexual magic.
OR asked to explain poverty or the Immigrant experience, but the plays about destroying the fat girl, or YET ANOTHER mindless boy meets girl no matter how much they suck
We can always do another one of those.
And that's why This hurt.
I don't think and if I'm wrong I'll say it once that AradhanaD wants to punch the Ren is scum card . But you know that I "I choose to be entertained" .
She nor I can make that choice, by the time the end of the camp scene hits every major trope and bullshit I go through being an actress, being a writer, fuck being a human being on legs while Negro ,female and slant eyed . And the being called whacko thing , do you know how many times when I discuss this movie with people I get
" Can't you just turn it off, NOT EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL"
Because my bringing my life experience to it does what? The fact that the movie made me feel physically ill is off the table?
Did Ren or anyone else do it in thread ? No
But it comes with you, and the same way Ren felt about not having to justify it to anyone ( even though AradhanaD didn't ask) I feel about it being implied that it's a buzz kill to point out that the movie GUTTED me.
The problem isn't you don't deserve mindless entertainment. OR that suddenly enjoying it means you're not playing political enough or checking your ism worksheet. Or asking you to justify it at all.
But the same way your frustrated with justifying it to others, it s frustrating to hear that this experience which so recharged you and was necessary for you to have time with someone is JUST A MOVIE. No one is saying you don't and frankly the I don't deserve thing about political implications
Feels like a slap. Cause as recharging and life affirming as the experience was for some to me. I just felt assaulted.
Because don't I too? Can I watch a movie with out being chucked in the head again again about how shitty my profession thinks of me? Or that after 600 years my body's still the great undiscovered continent?
To be able to not have anything in a film like that reach out and wrench your spleen, or at least be far enough away that you can "choose" to not be offended and just be entertained is an amazing privilege.
And if you have it you have it. Whatever else you been through doesn't make that privilege go away.
But to see the experience of someone who saw that same thing that was so life affirming for you as equally damaging be lumped in with nitpickers.
Yeah that fucking hurts. We all get our mindless entertainment and somewhere I have a privilege and if I don't want to give it up I need to live with how much it existence hurts others.
And what's really amazing to me in this all is.
I'm used to it.
I don't expect at all any special care or consideration from ANYONE, at this point on this shit. Call it the audition process, call it thickening my skin but whatever.
It's just this resignation to seeing people like me eviscerated and waiting for what we know will come .
It's not that serious, or that it made me feel good, can't there be some way it's okay, your life just ain't " real" or " entertaining"?
Yeah it okay for you, just not for me and watching people dance around the fact that when you do it you're saying BA I'm just not thinking about you . You do not matter to me at this moment.
How fucking sad is it that at this point I'd prefer that, the honesty of knowing where people are than hearing how they reconcile that with feeling accepted about their choices.
I accept all your choices, Doesn't mean they don't make me cry, or scream or hurt?
You get your fandom, I get the coffee.
You get the break, I get the heartbreak.
Trust this shit ain't new or at this point that deep.
Just a... for you is just the same old for me. But the same worldview that made a world where you can enjoy these things or find that they speak to you is the same one that makes them destroying and hurtful to me.
So sto being so mad I gave it a name.
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
But But It's Just ....................
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BA; Be as angry as you want. I'd never tell you you don't get to be.
The mere idea of me not liking this one filmmaker and having strong reasonably articulate thoughts about it has driven people to distraction.
It's called speaking truth to power.
C'mon, people. Coppola is not some poor starving artist struggling to speak the truth against the status quo. The woman reeks with privilege.
Your Coppola metaphor struck a chord with a lot of us. It's the power in your writing that threatens some people. And empowers the rest of us.
That last comment was me. Frigging blogger!
Ravenmn
It's a motherfucking total eclipse of the heart some days, BA.
keep on keepin on. it's sopmetimes lonely and tough to be talkin truth. great stuff.
IRE: I don't think you told me not to be angry or am I even that hurt.
But it's the " but to me it was just I needed that"
Well yes you needed that WE ALL DO.300 ignited something in you
LIT made many folks I'm close to feel like they weren't alone.
I got movies like that myself. Can't nobody pry me up off The warriors ,Last Dragon, but what's there is there and when I indulge in it I'm hurting people.
Just am, no moral judgement, I should do better but at those moemnts when I just Laugh . It's what I'm doing
There is a reason this stuff is so powerful that it can empower that , but that power the ability works both ways.
and the ability to only have to engage one part of the medium,is a privilege, it doesn't need to be justified and frankly when you do try it just gets messy
Especially because it's acting/creative.
Point blank those choices, and privileges are shaping my livelyhood.
Even if I have to conform to meet them or consider that as i prepare , it's there it's how it works. It's there .
And when people deny it , it's not oh a social emotional thing, its an intellectual , personhood thing, because it's as if you're saying the reality you live in isn't convenient right now
SO DENY DENY DENY.
and if I can't trust my own experiences and thoughts which trust me I get from people all the time what's it leave me with.
It's a longstanding issue that is coming to a real life and onlife head
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Raven M the y linked me to a interview of hers and I swear I died from the irony. Yes pelase make sure you confirm my every though of her JOlly o
And side note its more funny because as an actress hwo much shit could I be engendering if this thing caught traction ? FLipside how many peopel are going thank you fucking god
not to mention the crituique was very much on how her structuring mirrored feminism, Am i the only one who paid attention in college, when some one pulsl quotes and shows me where I ding her we can talk till then. Nope sorry !
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I'm here NEX and imloving loving teh live of nez!
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Petit
I'm going to beat you soon as my eyes to watering from laughing
expect a beating by airmail
So I'm not hurt so much as
BA:
Um, well, as a general rule, I think you're aces and respect your metal tons, if it matters at all.
I'm going to shut up now. I'm not fit for human conversation very often these days.
Renegade Evolution,
I have a lot of respect for your wonderful writings and thoughts. I even see you as something of a sister in terms of the political/racial fight and what you've said about that. I just hope you're hearing Blackamazon's statement here.
"Oh I just need entertainment right now" can be a justification for all manner of negative acts, can it not? (Think white male supremacy, go from there, then stop before it gets too gnarly.) "Let's put aside politics for the moment, I just need to let off some steam, lay off while I do this feel-good thing."
You've gotta admit, this is pretty darn conceited. BA seems to be saying that what feels like a release to you, feels like punishment to her. If you're cool with that, so be it. But it is what it is.
What I'm wondering is, how hard would it be for you to find vehicles of emotional release that did not hurt other people this way? Because I suspect it's not all that hard. Since I started trying to get this type of negativity out of my system, I've found so many rich sources of entertainment, I've become grateful for counterculture. Opting out of mainstream-pop-racism-misogyny no longer strikes me as a sacrifice, but simply as a smart choice which leads me to far greener pastures.
Peace.
kH:
No, i get that. And I feel pretty shitty for saying it and the fact that I did not think about how things such as that movie do affect other people. I get it. I was being selfish and arrogant and I understand that. I appologize. It was not my intent, and I do understand how it feels to feel that way. I won't erase what I said, because well, I did say it, but I have learned something, and well, I should have been, all things considered, completely aware of how greedy and moronic my comment was.
Sometimes, I am a moron as well as an asshole. I get that. And I'm sorry.
Re
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No you're not. You're human. We fuck up, in a fucked up system it's what we do with regularity. iT's hoe we get by and sometimes thrive and sometimes don't just is what its.
BA:
"iT's hoe we get by and sometimes thrive and sometimes don't just is what..."
BA, that typo there, the hoe one, just sent me into a hysterical laughing fit. Much needed. But yes, you are correct.
I just wrote a post all about this post!
I was thinking about white privilege and being able to ignore or forget racism. There is a sort of opposite to that, where we do try to forget it for awhile. But our world gets smaller when we do it, we have to close ourselves up with our family, other POC, and non-racist friends while the world gets larger for white people who do this. They can play colorblind nearly all the time and not think about race in America up until...
those damned POC come along and spoil their fun! Or a hurricane comes along and reveals the underside to perfect white America shoving aside and ignoring the problem.
Among all the problems with that post at Pandagon, is the fact that an interesting discussion could have occurred. Mnemosyne admits to not reading the post and then misrepresents everything you and Donna said. Which is not uncommon at Pandagon. It would have been interesting, had Mnemosyne spoken directly with you, had her misconceptions cleared up, and then hear her take on the issue.
I'm no film expert, but to think David Lynch could replace Sophia Coppola in your wonderful metaphor is beyond absurd. Has Lynch ever focused a film on middle class or upper class white women?
Cross-posting this thought at Donna's place.
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