BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My Private Casbah: Will The Real (Feminist) Women Please Stand Up?


It's Sunday morning. Fire breaks out , takes out power , it's ten degrees, so really I wanted to be calm and warm before I brave the cold.

I especially didn't want to curse on this day.

Ehhh we all got hopes.

It is amazing to watch bigotry in action and bigotry that calls itself such under a " we're for women " attitude does amazing things to logic that may literally fold the space time continuum in on itself.

Why am I in a snit on this Sunday of Sundays.

Because for some people the stupid will never ever EVER DIE.

Vancouver Rape Relief has every right to structure it's program however it wants . It has every right to believe that you are required to have certain experiences to be a counselor in their program.

I have a right to believe its myopic and shortsighted.

If they did not feel that MS. Nixon was qualified as a counselor or that she had shown behavior that meant that she was unable to perform duties as a counselor that is more than enough reason to tell her to not counsel.

Except that's not in any of the opinions they express. Ms Nixon didn't have a chance to express her self as a bad counselor,

She showed herself to be not an acceptable woman. IN the second session she is asked to leave because they expressed questions about her gender identity

No

" Person seemed unqualified/overly aggressive /not fit/ unsuitable.

no NO nO No NOOO

Not a women born woman ? GET OUT.

This of course was not out lined in their literature as they accept transwomen for counseling , so they are acceptable women then.

What fucking disgusts me is their legal defense of it which of course is left out in the discussion at Womensspace. I found it by way of Eagle Canada :

The VRR made a preliminary court challenge arguing that the human rights commission should not undertake any review of Ms Nixon’s complaint because “gender identity” is not listed in human rights legislation as a proper basis for making a complaint

Translation:

She has no power to challenge this . Her previous identity is more important than her current one and we can do it cause we can .

Patriarchy is AOK with us as long as it backs us up.

And of course the fact that gender identity goes both ways and could be cause for a transman or transgender born woman to be discriminated never crossed their minds.

Because our mission is noble our methods need not be.

Heart says this is a victory for women born women spaces. No a victory for women , is a victory where in the best possible options for ALL women are available to ALL women.

The supposition that women are somehow immune to violence because they were born women is FUCKING insulting.

Because no lesbian ever beat up her partner. No same sex sexual escapade ever turned ugly, No young girl was abused by a woman and needed healing from that.

So huzzah and hurrah we've saved the women form the nasty influence of the men.

And set a DANGEROUS legal precedent. Because yes Virginia this ruling means that a trans person has a HARDER time getting benefits, or representation because VRR has given us the gift of public record acknowledging that trans discrimination is AOK.

Legally they are perfectly allowed to do what they do. I am personally a fan of affinity groups but what irks me here the most is that. There was no presentation of this in the beginning , there was no declaration of this at the start of her TREATMENT or when they told her when she asked to volunteer, or her FIRST session.

Their missions statement doesn't included Women born Women, but like so many spaces has been amended to do so .

And they want support for being bigots.

Yeah I said it being bigots. Shortsighted, judgmental bigots who wring their hands that they aren't allowed to displace A WOMAN ( by all senses post op Ms Nixon is a woman and in mine eyes PRE OP MS Nixon was a woman) in the flowery woman supportive language they want.

Yes ladies you have to come out and say.

We are bigots. Here is our definition of womanhood and you don't fit and never will SO GO!

Are they allowed . YEP !

Should they be! You betcha .

I like knowing exactly what kind of people I'm dealing with. I want them to be upfront rather than covert about their self indulgent psuedo compassion and myopic visions. I tell you upfront I'm a comment editing, my way or the highway, machete wielding bitch

But the comments which of course are bolstered by the lack of the inclusion of the grounds on which VRR argued their case

First location is brought up as VRR is less powerful than other groups that discriminate.

So? VRR is a partially public funded entity whose missions statement DID NOT include allowance for the shit they pulled. Had they elaborated on their position in the beginning they'd still have my undying annoyance BUT they would have had a leg to stand on.

Not mention it is interesting that when she was victimized she was openly welcomed as a woman but only when she tries to assert her identity in being proactive and asking them to honor their original acceptance of her does she become and oppressor.

If an oppressor is an oppressor forever and ever ladies, some of you aren't going to be welcome in many places REAL SOON.

But then the game begins! Lets see if I can make BINGO

And I fully admit that I have problems with Heart, and Storm.

But the way the argument follows is beyond deplorable .

When Rab brings up an innocuous example of what is gender they of course turn it into a are you saying MTF's are better women then we are.

B-Ignoring of course the fact that Rab brought up a very SPECIFIC cultural aspect to her question of the per formative of gender as a South Asian female and why she was questioning it.

But hey if the lens is always white and bioessentialist why deal in specifics?

Then Heart hit's the perfect statement:

In my view it is not possible for females to discriminate against transpeople. That’s the province of men and only men.

I-We women can not be trans bigots . Nope never ever. There is nothing we can deny them. Never nope.

N-She then goes on to lecture Bint a woman of color about what being female means in "certain places" Come on you know what examples she uses. Footbinding and VEILING .

I though this would be hard . Cultural practices of non white women used to justify practices of white ones.Three more I get BINGO.......

Oh wait but then ABT she wants to help me win at the game:

all I’ll say is that the feminist perspective on this subject is everywhere on this blog, and on my own blog, and you are welcome to go and educate yourself about it before coming in here and picking fights. Also, no need to pull out the big guns of “woman of color with disabilities” when you don’t know the sex, ability, sexuality, and ethnic/racial status of those of us who are here, AND when the evidence of our opposition to oppression of ALL KINDS is all over this site and our own sites.

G- Where in a woman who claims that Bint is pulling the big guns ( also known as the race card) tells Bint what the feminist perspective is . YEAH HIVE MIND I will not take the easy O for someone whose never met Bint for calling Bint uneducated. While ignoring the fact that Bint is only using the text in the discussion.

But I'm all for a white woman telling a brown one what the evidence of being against oppression is. ALL for it

O- Stormy wins it she does indeed.

Oh bint. Wordy serial posting as a newbie to this blog—way to make friends and influence people!

Quite frankly, my eyes just glazed over for the last few comments, I couldn’t take the “nasty feminists discriminate” any more.

Factoid (please take this with water): VRR bent over backwards not to offend Ms Nixon - cash money from a donations-funded charity PLUS another role within the organisation. Hardly slamming the damn door in her face was it now?

And what’s to all the transwomen forming their own groups, and support groups, instead of getting on the feminist coat-tails? Why do feminists have to take on every disenfranchised group? [no don’t answer ‘because they’re women and have been trained to pick up and look after everybody else’]. I skipped bootcamp on that one.

First line. BINT WHY WONT YOU PLAY NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Second part But they tried.

Thirdpart- Why should we listen to the whiny people who are small sections of our group. We can' t please everyone . We don't have to play nice. Why don't they do for themselves ( most ignorant bullshit ever you dumb ass three words and google shows more trans groups than I can shake my not so delicate fist at) And we're special cause we don't play nice even though Bint

And I left out the fact that Bint got slammed for unintelligence and over intelligence in the SAME thread by different folks cause that's now officially unoriginal

And for someone who is so against wasps and grade school cliques Stormy sure does love acting like a ten year old girl and love the cattiness Miranda at rabfish's ( very valid and accepted in many circles) choice to avoid capitalization

Maybe I should have said I was gonna play HORSE instead as it would have allowed me to extend it to HORSESHIT so on so on etcetera. CAUSE IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT END THERE!!!!!!

Cause Heart sets up the win

And i mean sets up the win as her next comment must be preceded that she jumps form defining the lawsuit as a against the center to against the rape victims . So she likes playing both the you are a oppressor victimizing the women card and the tool of the patriarchy card.

And if you dislike profanity in my writing. STOP HERE ! PLEASE STOP HERE cause right after this quote I may start curing in french and spanish in addition to good ole English"

One more thing. Why, bint, are you advocating for a person born a white male, who grew up a white boy, and lived 33 years, most of them as a white, very privileged man and for all persons similarly situated with Kim Nixon, who also were born male, born to privilege, who lived many years of their lives as men? Particularly as against VRR, a nonprofit, volunteer organization dedicated to all females, all the time, and in particular, poor, prostituted, marginalized, raped, indigenous, women of color, battered females.

What’s up with that?

And CM backs her up which truly hurts my heart but no it will not stand unchallenged

Make sure you read that shit and make sure your read it well.

HOW FUCK ING DARE YOU.

Because although it's not said she is acting out of line no? Because why would she a WOC have an opinion about this that doesn't fit YOUr predetermined schematic of what she should think.

HOW THE FUCK DARE YOU decide whether or not she is in collusion with oppression based on your own position on gender.

I love how only when in reference to Bint is it ever EVER fucking mentioned the special affinity groups VRR cares for something that previously needn't be mentioned as Women Born women was more than enough

HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY YOU ARE ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANY FUCKING BODY ELSE WHEN YOU HAVE THE GALL TO PULL THAT ?!

Did the colored gal step out of line by not toeing party politic?

WHO THE FUCK IS YOU TO TELL ANYBODY HOW THEY SHOULD ACT CONSIDERING A CASE

Especially considering not a once and I mean not a once do you address her facts or questions but only you sugary sumary of the case that avoids mentioning what grounds the case was fought on ?

WHO THE FUCK IS YOU WHITE WOMAN to tell Bint or question her because she's questioning mostly WHITE women against a WHITE WOMAN

YES MS NIXON IS A FUCKING WOMAN NOW but hey if we can shame Bint lets see how often we can say boy in a sentence?

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU IMPLY THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE SENSE TO DECIDE WHO AND WHAT SHE SHOULD DEFEND AS IS SHE IS SOME MINDLESS CHILD


AND I MOTHERFUCKING LOVE THE FACT THAT IN DISCUSSING A RAPE CENTER SOMEONE BROUGHT UP HER ASKING TO BE FUCKED

BFP had enough and she should but no I refuse to let this pass.

Women aren't fawns battered agains teh winds when it suits you , and warriors when it son't. We are capable human beings and we can and do HORRIBLE EVIL TERIRBLE SHIT. We cna be bigots and assholes and saints and sinners . We CAN be prejudiced and witholding. Are we empowered by the system as much as men. NOPE. But can we be empowered by the system oh hell yeah we can.

VRR for all the sweetened honey mist Heart wants to concoct around it, does noble work. and it did a SHITTY SHITTY THING to do that work. SO THE FUCK WHAT

But it used the system that supposedly it is so against to do so . Can't play it both ways ladies .

Nixon sued the center not the rape victims and the center defended it self by claiming she didn't have rights .

Nice because what we need is More ways women should be made forcibly helpless.